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#5018 of 5646 Re: Speed Control related complaints. [wwest]
Feb 12, 2010 (5:15 pm)
You say Toyota wanted to use the DBW computer programming in the 2000 model to overcome a design flaw in the U140E and alleviate premature transaxle failures.
I believe that could be true but I am sure that an overwhelming majority of the complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control in the 2002 Camry had nothing to do with that intentional delay of the rising of engine torque.
I have so far read 22 of the 164 complaints about Vehicle Speed Control for the 202 Camry, only 1 complaint was about acceleration hesitation, the other 21 cases were about unintended acceleration or engine flare.
The truth is only an insignificant number of those 2002 speed control complaints are related to the 1-2 second downshift delay/hesitation but a great majority of the complaints are related to unintended acceleration which are likely due to electronic or software problem yet to be identified.
It does not mean that acceleration hesitation is not a problem in 2002 Camrys. I think people are more likely to report to the NHTSA about unintended acceleration than acceleration hesitation because unintended acceleration is more likely to cause accidents and worries than acceleration hesitation.
I had a 2007 Camry 4cyl which had occasional acceleration hesitation but I did not report it to the NHTSA because it was much less likely than unintended acceleration to cause an accident.
I think if Toyota had change the computer programming to reduce hesitation in 2007 Camrys, they probably did it to the 6 cyl Camrys but not the 4 cyl ones. As far as I can remember, all the complaints I read about unintended acceleration of 2007 Camrys had 6 cylinders.
The computer programming in today’s firmware in vehicles has become so complicated, I would not be surprised that both Toyota and the NHTSA are still clueless about what really goes wrong in Toyota's DBW system.
#5019 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [nmt001]
Feb 12, 2010 (5:48 pm)
The blip in 2007 was the problem where when running on cruise control, it would stay in 5th gear torque converter lockup too long when going up a slight grade, and as a result it would have to downshift to third to get the vehicle speed back up. Now it drops out of lockup, then drops from 5th to 4th if need be. That was fixed early on with a TSB, which reloaded the computer. I know, I have the vehicle, reported it as a complaint, and have been extremely happy post TSB. 50K+ miles, and the vehicle has been fabulous.
#5020 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [kiawah]
Feb 13, 2010 (4:07 am)
So you were "extremely happy" post TSB 50K+ miles? Did you bring your 2007 Camry to Toyota to replace the sticky gas pedal in response to the latest recall on January 21, 2010?
If you did, that means you were extremely happy with a Camry having a potentially dangerous gas pedal. Ignorance is not bliss, at least not for those owners who got into an accident because the gas pedal stuck.
If you did not, then you should even when you are extremely happy with the performance of your 2007 Camry after TSB.
Who informed you about the TSB for reprogramming the computer? Why did some customers complain about Toyota not acknowledging there was a TSB for fixing the computer glitch that caused unintended acceleration?
Is the latest sticky pedal recall for 2007 Camry just an excuse for Toyota to secretly reload the computers without confessing that it did not properly inform all affected Toyota owners about the TSB for fixing the computer glitch that may have cause the unintended acceleration in a number of fatal accidents and huge number of non-fatal accidents?
#5021 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [nmt001]
Feb 13, 2010 (4:48 am)
No, I have not had the gas pedal fixed yet. I've felt the pedal action, I don't have any current issues.
The earlier TSB you referenced was not a mandatory fix. I'm an engineer and strive for perfection, and I didn't like the way it was shifting. I suspect the reason of the issue is that they were trying to keep/lock it in high gear to eek out a extra couple tenths of mpg. I'd rather have the better 'performance'. My wife or daughter didn't notice or care. My brother who has same vehicle, didn't notice or care, or even have the TSB performed.
These are complex control systems in all of the newer vehicles. Everything is computer controlled now, and unless one has knowledge and exposure to building these types of controls..... I don't think the average person understands or cares. When I was a kid and started driving, we would have to do a tuneup every 15-20K miles (points, plugs, condensor). Clutches would last maybe 30K miles, and you'd crank your own window. Today, we all expect vehicles to be error free for 150K miles, and even the dome light is computer controlled.
Any manufacturer could have problems. My 2004 Ford Explorer actually DID have an accelerator pedal problem, loosing it's signal and outside of tolerance, and the vehicle limped home. The fix ??? .... a new gas pedal.
My Chevy, has of course had the fix for the windshield fluid heater, to avoid the unintended fires that have happened if that heater shorted.
My Harley has had a steering bearing problem.
The point, I've not had one vehicle in the last 15 years that has not had something potentially seriously wrong with it. But I'll tell you, they run better than both our clothes washer and dish washer under multiple daily usage conditions. .
I am actually intending to buy a 2nd Camry shortly, and the stock is a great investment opportunity (just bought some yesterday).....as the press continues to hammer Toyota. In my opinion, no need to get all emotional about this.
#5022 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [kiawah]
Feb 13, 2010 (7:53 am)
I also have a 2007 Camry and have not had a problem with the accelerator but I brought the car in anyways to have it fixed plus the service manager said there had been an earlier recall to replace the oil line hose. Both were done a few days ago. Better safe than sorry.
#5023 of 5646 Toyota agreed to replace my 2007 with new 2010 at no cost
Feb 13, 2010 (9:15 am)
I hired a lawyer specialized in lemon-law vehicle and after he reviewed my case, he agreed to help me out. I had so many problems with my 2007 (46K) Camry from day one when I bought it new, such as brakes problems, engine hesitation, front end vibration, inside noises. Of course, the dealer, said everything is normal and nothing they can do, except they work/repair the brakes 3 times. After several attempt to resolve issues on my own with Toyota customer service (awful treatment by hanging up the phone on me), I decided to get legal help. Since a lawyer was involved, Toyota agreed to replace my 2007 Camry with brand new 2010 Camry. I was hoping to get rid of the car and just relive me from it. But, my lawyer said this is the best he can do for me after driving the car for 46k miles. Anyone experience something like that before? Or, any suggestion on what to do? Shall I take the deal or not?
#5024 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [kiawah]
Feb 13, 2010 (9:45 am)
You are an engineer and you have not had the gas pedal of your Toyota in the recall list fixed yet!!!
Are you an engineer related to Toyota in anyway?
Not necessarily working for Toyota, but a Toyota stock holder, perhaps, based on your recommendation of buying Toyota stocks. You call Toyota stock "a great investment" even though Toyota is being besieged by several lawsuits, including class action lawsuits, related to accidents cased by unintended acceleration! Amazing!
You say the TSB that could solve the problem relating to unintended acceleration was NOT a not a mandatory fix!!! That's why so many 2007 Camry owners got into accidents because of unintended acceleration and why the 2007 Camry was the most complained related to Vehicle Speed Control in the NHTSA website.
Your nonchalant attitude towards the gas pedal recall in spite of you being an engineer gives more weight to the suspicion that the latest Toyota gas pedal recall is just a smoke screen for fixing computer glitch that may cause unintended acceleration in Toyotas.
#5025 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [nmt001]
Feb 13, 2010 (10:51 am)
Not related to Toyota in any way, form, or fashion.
Yes, I am now a Toyota stockholder (as of last week). I bought Ford and Chevy stocks when they were beat down and sold them when they raised back up, bought a number of tech and banking stocks when they were beat down, and pharmaceuticals when they were beat down years ago. For a patient investor, these overreactions by the marketplace create some good contraian investment opportunities for quality companies. Three years from now, some other manufacturer will have negative marketplace news, and Toyota will be back up.
Buy low, sell high.
You say the TSB that could solve the problem relating to unintended acceleration was NOT a not a mandatory fix!!! That's why so many 2007 Camry owners got into accidents because of unintended acceleration and why the 2007 Camry was the most complained related to Vehicle Speed Control in the NHTSA website. Too bad you have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you get a copy of the TSB or do some technical research before you rant and rave on a topic, making assertions that have no factual basis.
If you don't like the way Toyota is handling this, don't buy their vehicles, and hire a lawyer to litigate your case. You can protest with your pocketbook.
#5026 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry- most complained related to speed control [nmt001]
Feb 13, 2010 (11:38 pm)
Correction on post# 5024:You say the TSB that could solve the problem relating to unintended acceleration was " NOT a mandatory fix" !!!