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#4864 of 5646 My 2007 Camry XLE
Aug 29, 2009 (5:42 am)
Good Morning to All:
(Some thoughts to share with the group!)
My 2007 Camry was purchased new from a dealer in Northern N.J. I have all my service done at the selling dealer. (I even purchase my tires from the dealer.) The vehicle now has almost 52,000 miles on it, and the only thing that has been serviced under the extended warranty was the exterior oil line. (Since I am constantly on road trips I had this line replaced as preventive maintenance.)
As you can see from my other postings I am very concerned with preventive maintenance. I will spend a little extra money to have a dependable vehicle. (My choice.) My vehicle is my office!
I never had the transmission issue that you read about on this board. (This does not translate into Toyota not having a problem, but I believe that some of the stories on this board are "driver related," ------ and I believe that the number of units that have this issue are small! ----- REMEMBER: ---- this is a drive by wire vehicle, so as such, the shifting characteristics are different! ----- Drive by wire vehicles DO NOT respond well to "aggressive driving!" ) ------- Today because of the technology, you need to put an extended manufacturer's warranty on the vehicle for the maximum number of years and mileage. (My Toyota has a top-of-the-line extended warranty with a "0" deductible!) ----- Parts and labor are just TOOOOOOO expensive to be "self-insured!" In addition, you need to use the dealer for regular service in order to keep your service records in one place. Should something happen there is no issue with regards to collecting service receipts. (I would never have my vechicle service at any of the "quick change oil & filter stores" or a department store. There is simply no way to control the quality of the work and the materials used in the service. Then if something occurs you are caught between the store, the dealer and the warranty!)
My prior vehicle was a 2003- 4 cylinder Honda Accord. Many people believe that Honda produces a high quality vehicle. Once my Honda reached 50,000 miles the extended warranty put in $3,000.00 + dollars worth of repair, (AC Compressor, Power Window regulator drivers side. Cat Converter, Motor Mounts, Radio Display ----- etc)
Most likely, I will purchase another Camry on or about December 2010, and I will purchase it from the same selling / servicing dealer. I will also get a "top-of-the-line Toyota extended warranty for the maximum mileage and years. --- If something happens to the vehicle, Toyota and the dealer will make the necessary repairs and I will be driving a Toyota Loaner vehicle. --------- If something happens on the road I have my extended warranty to fall back on and I will continue my trip with a Toyota Loaner from that dealer.
Any car company can produce some units with problems. I see this everyday in the boating industry. Not all marine engines are perfect. I have been told that there is a 1% issue with all marine engines. When this happens, the manufacturer simply ships an engine to the dealer and the problem is solved. That is simply the nature of the business. ------ Sometimes I think that we all tend to "blow things out of proportion"! ------- No manufacturer wants to produce a vehicle with problems. This simple hurts their business image. -------- Sometimes customers are their own worse enemy. They attack the service person at the dealership and then they expect to be treated in a professional manner! -------- After my vehicle is serviced, I send a "hand written thank-you note" to the Service Advisior, Service Manager and the General Manager. In that note I thank them and the service staff for their help, concern and professionalism. I go our of my way to make people feel important and appreciated! ---- When I present my vehicle for service, they also make me feel important. ----------- (What goes around comes around in life!)
Just some thoughts to consider!
Best regards to all!
#4865 of 5646 Re: My 2007 Camry XLE [djm2]
Aug 29, 2009 (9:12 am)
"-----Drive by wire vehicles DO NOT respond well to "aggressive driving.!"---"
Gee, glad you told me that, otherwise I would have NEVER guessed it as my '99 911/996 didn't seem to exhibit that trait, nor does my current '01 911/996 C4. Seemed to be quite competitive even on the track, driving AGGRESSIVELY, at Daytona.
While DBW can be, and is, a tremendous technological design and is quite useful for many reasons, no idle bypass, simplified cruise control, etc, it can also be used to hide a few SINS.
Toyota is using it, has been using it, to hide a huge sin, the lack of a satisfactory, reasonable, transaxle design.
Between my daughter and myself we had driven our '00 Chrysler T&C almost 100,000 miles before inadvertently discovering that it's panic braking capability is seriously flawed. So some flaws can exist throughout the product line and yet not be discovered except under highly unusual circumstances, unique to the individual driver, even.
Chrysler panic braking "very large effort"
#4866 of 5646 Re: My 2007 Camry XLE [wwest]
Aug 29, 2009 (10:03 am)
I too agee, as my wifes STS, my Chevy trucks since they first put it on my 84 Chevy Diesel has had NO problems. I too was very hesitant in 84 to get that truck but my dealer said if I wasn't satified with it he would buy it back for the selling price the first 90 days. I had it a lot longer than 90 days. Only problems with that truck was someone ran into the fiberglass fender on the dual and fuel problems at 30 below. But I had no business being out in weather that cold.
#4867 of 5646 Re: My 2007 Camry XLE [djm2]
Aug 29, 2009 (6:03 pm)
I guess we're just polar opposites! I recommend (and practice) avoiding the dealer entirely except for warranty work. I do all the routine maintenance myself except for jobs above my skill level, patience, or lack of suitable tools or equipment, in which case I pay a reputable independent shop to do it (not the Quickie Lubes or tire or department store chains). I keep all receipts for parts and service plus maintain a detailed log (electronic now) of all work done.
This has worked quite well for my two current Camrys, one a 2005 XLE with just over 40,000 miles, the other a 2004 LE with nearly 64,000 miles. The '05 has not had any problems of any kind, just routine oil changes, tire rotations, filter and wiper blade replacements, plus two replacement tires. I have paid zero for service, only a small amount for parts -- see below about the tires.
The 2004 had one recall for possible mis-installed side curtains (mine turned out to be fine) and one other minor problem which I haven't bothered to fix -- a minor "stiction" in the steering when making sharp left hand turns under about 25 mph.
Unfortunately, the car was sideswiped by a hit-and-run driver while it was parked, requiring a replacement quarter panel, rear bumper cover, and related repairs (plus much repainting) in early 2006. Then a year ago in June it was pummeled by a rare hailstorm (for our area), requiring paintless dent removal plus a replacement trunk lid (and more painting). The paint work wasn't satisfactory, so my insurance company paid for much more extensive paint work to get the car in its now very presentable state. The dealer's platinum warranty wouldn't have helped in either case, so I did have to pay the insurance deductible in each incident (but not for the do-over). This car has had professional maintenance for a few small items like brake fluid replacement.
I'm lucky in that I have access to a tire mounting machine at my workplace, and I made sure to learn how to use it. We also have a balancing machine, so I only have to pay for tires -- on my 3rd set on the 2004, only 2 new tires so far on the 2005.
My former ‘97 Camry was part of the “sludger” series. I never had a lick of sludge, but my valve stem seals started to fail at 57K miles (evidenced by a puff of blue smoke on cold startup), just before the 60K powertrain warranty was about to expire. I took my log of oil change records to the local dealer (not the original selling dealer), and they took care of the problem without a hassle. It would have cost $800-$1,000.
This dealer has many "packages" that pad the service intervals with all kinds of added work and magic chemicals not recommended by Toyota. Plus it has a “Tires for Life” program for cars bought new there, as my 2 current Camrys were. Problem is you have to pay for all maintenance at the dealer AND follow the dealer’s recommendations for tire rotations, balancing, and alignment, which of course are way beyond what the manufacturer calls for. You end up paying for the “free” tires many times over. No thanks!
#4868 of 5646 Re: My 2007 Camry XLE [wwest]
Aug 29, 2009 (6:14 pm)
I personally have seen no downside to drive-by-wire in my Camrys, and it would seem to be beneficial by eliminating complexity. IMO, it will be great when electric brakes can be perfected -- no more hydraulic fluid to get contaminated or require changing, and no more brake lines/hoses to corrode (steel) or split (rubber).
As far as the transaxles go, I have no problems whatsoever with the 4-cylinder, 4-speed auto in my 2004. What I don't like in the 2005 with its 4-cylinder, 5-speed combo is its tendency to shift too soon into too high a gear (lugging) in city driving, which is especially apparent when going up hills.
#4869 of 5646 Re: My 2007 Camry XLE [wwest]
Aug 31, 2009 (2:46 am)
Good Morning (wwest)
I was simply suggesting that some drivers, (who have an older vehicle without DBW), might see / experience an "operating difference" with this new technology. My Camry handles differently in the snow because of DBW than did my 2003 Honda Accord!
#4870 of 5646 Re: My 2007 Camry XLE [djm2]
Aug 31, 2009 (8:13 am)
Oh..., Yes, TC, Traction Control, in my '01 F/awd RX300 with "hard" coupled throttle valve must use fuel starvation via EFI/SFI in order to enforce engine dethrottling when wheelslip/spin develops, probably the same for VSC.
I would imagine the fuel cut using EFI/SFI had to be pretty much total in order to avoid detonation whereas with DBW dethrottling can be moderated, modulated.
So yes, likely a very noticeable VSC/TC difference when moving from one to the other.
#4871 of 5646 Front Brake Pad Change: WHats Involved?
Sep 02, 2009 (5:43 pm)
My wifes 2005 Camry needs front brake pads soon. Ive changed them myself on other cars. Would this cars pads be similiar to do? Do the calipers come off the same way? (two 14mm bolts?) Can you still push the pistons back into the calipers with a large C clamp? Thanks for any replys!
#4872 of 5646 Re: Front Brake Pad Change: WHats Involved? [kneisl1]
Sep 02, 2009 (6:52 pm)
Hey, kneis-whatever.......definitely GO for it on your own; don't hire a mechanic. If you've done it before on ANY car....it's a piece of cake on the Camry.
And don't buy the pads from your Toyota dealer......aftermarket is fine.
Good luck (not that you'll need it!)
#4873 of 5646 Re: 2007 camry leaking issue [wwest]
Sep 10, 2009 (9:03 am)
Bought my 2007 Camry LE used last September. A month ago I noticed a terrible, growing smell and took it to my local Toyota Dealer. There was no dampness on the floor or carpets, but when they took the seats out and removed the carpets, the "jute" or carpet pad was soaked with clear water and under that black mold. At first they said this was a design flaw in that the foam blown on under the jute actually retained water causing the mold. The only difference is that they usually found this on the floor behind the passenger side and mine was behind the driver's seat. They couldn't find what had leaked, but suspected it was a plugged A/C vent in the back seat. 3 days later they called to say their mold "expert" found what looked like spilled cheese dip that was moldy so "someone" must have spilled that to create this problem. However, my husband had been there when they removed everything and saw and felt the clear water soaking the jute, which now they say must have been water spilled as well....but HOW could either cheese dip or water be spilled UNDER the carpet and jute without evidence of the spill on top? NOTE: Their "expert" was actually an expert in CLEANING up mold, not identifying the type of mold or source. We don't have any little kids. We don't eat cheese dip. No one eats in the back seat or even sits there. We haven't spilled anything. But of course, this means that the $1500 and 3 weeks they've been working on this mystery won't be covered on our warranty!!! Has ANYONE else had this problem?