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#4775 of 5646 Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem
Apr 21, 2009 (4:29 pm)
I live in Canada, and I recently took my 2005 Avalon in for an oil change. While performing the oil change, the staff at the dealership identified and advised me of a leak in the VVT oil line. They also advised that the line could burst, draining the engine of oil and possibly causing engine damage. I was advised that I should not drive the vehicle, and left it at the dealership awaiting replacement parts and repairs.
Several days later, I'm still leaving for a timeline to obtain the parts and repairs. The vehicle has just under 32,000 km on it.
This may be a bigger issue than just myself, as it appears that Toyota issued a Tech Tip TVI2310 in September of 2008 identifying the condition and recommending replacement of the oil line. According to the Toyota document, Toyota models affected can include the 2005 to 2009 Avalon, 2007 to 2009 Camry V6, 2007 to 2009 Sienna, 2008 to 2009 Highlander, and the 2006 to 2009 RAV4.
I cannot understand why Toyota has not issued a recall, nor why they haven't ramped up production of the replacement part (unless this a VERY widespread problem!). It would appear that they don't want to admit to a serious problem, to protect their (past) quality reputation, but they are seriously risking brand reputation, and possible legal issues due to the inconvenience (class action, anyone?).
I have a scan of the Toyota Tech Tip........is it possible to post it to this forum, so that others can see the document?
#4776 of 5646 Re: Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem [sully13]
Apr 21, 2009 (4:44 pm)
Yes, common issue. Having been in manufacturing all my life, it is not as easy to "ramp up production" of the replacement part as you think. Toyota itself may not make the part, so the supplier has to, and it does take time to get parts made and into the market, even if Toyota is the producer.
Recalls are government mandated things that are issued when something could cause a serious safety issue, like a wheel breaking and falling off, to give a simple example. Or some cars (it wasn't Toyota) that burst into flames while parked in your garage.
You could argue that the lack of oil could seize the engine and cause an accident, but it is not likely, or the gov't would have forced a recall.
You have a copy of the TSB, but it is all over the net already if you do a search. It may have been posted in Edmunds already.
All manufactures have issues like this, even Honda and Toyota. But they are still tops in quality, if you look at Consumer Reports and JD Power.
Hope you get the part soon. I think the warranty covers a free loaner if your car is kept overnight.
#4777 of 5646 Re: Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem [sully13]
Apr 22, 2009 (6:33 am)
Wow, I'm surprise that there's no recall for this major problem. Heck...Nissan issues recall with minor thing like a "possible" problem with the smart-key. I had the key for several years and I've never had an issue with it.
#4778 of 5646 Re: Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem [mcdawgg]
Apr 22, 2009 (9:03 am)
My point about ramping up production is that this could have started last year, Given the TSB was issued in September, with the recommended replacement part identified, I suspect that Toyota was working on this for 2-3 months in advance. And, since we're at least 7 months after the TSB was issued, one would think that Toyota would have routine availability by now - even if it's produced by a sub-contractor.
I also recognize that many recalls are driven by safety, but if Toyota were more customer-focussed, given what appears to be a problem that could impact many, they could probably score more points and reduce brand damage by being proactive. I've been in business for over 33 years, and I'm not impressed with Toyota regarding this matter.
As for Consumer Reports, I'll be doing the Auto Survey shortly.......
#4779 of 5646 Re: Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem [sully13]
Apr 22, 2009 (3:05 pm)
I had oil leak with my 2007 Camry L4 after an oil change. When I took it to the service they told me that the filter was not installed properly and it was leaking from there. They fixed it. After a few months, I noticed leak again on the ground. This time they said the leak was around the oil pan but they could not find where it was exactly leaking from. They cleaned the pan and dried it and advised me to check it regularly. If I see leak again I will take it to the service. Just wondering, when there is leak in the oil line, does the oil leak inside the engine? Does it come outside and drips on the ground? I would like to know this because, the warranty for my car will expire soon and if this is a serious problem I want it to be fixed under the warranty. Thank you.
#4780 of 5646 Re: Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem [vizyo]
Apr 22, 2009 (3:26 pm)
It appears that you may have a 4 cylinder Camry, and the problem I've had is, to my knowledge, a problem specific to recent V6 engines. The VVT oil line problem with the V6 engines causes leaks on the outside of the engine, which then leak down to the underside of the engine/vehicle.
If you are having an issue with oil leaks, I suspect that the problem SHOULD be covered by the power train warranty (normally five years) rather than the basic three year warranty. However, these warranties have a mileage limit, so you'll need to refer to your owner documentation.
Hope this helps.
#4781 of 5646 Re: Toyota VVT Oil Line Problem [sully13]
Apr 22, 2009 (4:11 pm)
Ehh, hindsight is 20/20. My opinion is that Toyota is as good as any automaker regarding problems, including Honda. Lots of people were very upset at Honda tranny failures and compressor failures, etc. and threatened lawsuits, etc. I can appreciate their frustrations, but I can also see the business side. I don't know of another automaker that has always done things the way people think they should.
I'm not sure if Toyota knew that the oil line was a widespread or a very small problem. Sometimes, it is hard to tell at first. At least they have the correction and it's an easy fix, once the part is available.
I truly hope you get yours fixed soon, and I trust they gave you a car to use in the meantime? Any other issues with yours?
My '07 CE I4 manual has been great, other than having TSB0068-08 done (25 minute reprogramming of the ECU to resolve an intermittent hesitation). Other than that, perfect, just as I expect. I can forgive this one minor error, and I know it won't cause any more future issues, so I'd still rate it excellent.
#4782 of 5646 Location of front/rear suspension member bolts
Apr 27, 2009 (6:57 pm)
I will be doing my wife's Toyota's 20K maintenance as per owner's manual (it is 2007 Camry with I-4 engine and auto-tranny ) . I am OK with most of the items except one . Manual suggests to tighten nuts&bolts on chassis , it says "front/rear suspension member retaining bolts to specified torque " .
Can anyone tell me where I should look for these bolts and torque values (if possible ) .
This site has been a good source of information . I thank all the contributors for their help .
#4783 of 5646 Re: Location of front/rear suspension member bolts [wolfboro]
Apr 28, 2009 (12:30 pm)
You don't have to worry about this item, as it's only for cars operated under "special operating conditions," in this case meaning frequent use on unpaved (and therefore bumpy) roads.
#4784 of 5646 Re: Location of front/rear suspension member bolts [210delray]
Apr 28, 2009 (3:48 pm)
Yes, 210delray is correct. I have never done this.