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Toyota Camry, Sedan
#3224 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [user777]
Feb 28, 2007 (1:54 pm)
if the owner goes in and they are told, it's normal
this is really where the problem is - IT IS NORMAL and it is operating the way that it was designed. Note, however, I didn't say this is good. Toyota runs the risk of 1) this being perceived as a safety issue, and all hell breaks loose and/or 2) they develop a reputation for making cars that are not as driveable as Brand X. Number 2 is already happening, number 1 may be a stretch at this point. As Toyota/Lexus is seemingly leading the pack on all this misapplied high tech ostensibly to protect us from ourselves and/or squeeze an extra mpg or two, driveability will suffer. For my part, I sit with an 05 Avalon that can exhibit the same sort of behaviors reported in this forum in the 5 speed Camrys but is less bothersome (to me) than apparently what is happening with the 'new/improved' 6 speed. Isn't progress wonderful - and wouldn't we all be happier with a simpler non-electronic 4 speed from 10 or 15 years ago?
#3225 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [troj128]
Feb 28, 2007 (2:02 pm)
actually I believe that the engines are all made in Missouri, the trannies in Indiana and then both exported to Japan where a small percentage of Camrys are assembled. Honda does a simliar thing with the Accord. Other than fit/finish, there should not logically be any difference between Japan and US made Camrys.
#3226 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [captain2]
Feb 28, 2007 (3:56 pm)
i'm repeating myself but the assumption which *some* people have is there is no number (1) (i.e. safety-related) issue involved with hesitation, excessive shifting, flaring and the like. i see your point about drivability and experience, and these behaviors would drive me crazy as i've never experienced them before and have no intention of
"learning" to avoid them, anticipate them, get used to them.
but, specifically w.r.t. hesitation - let's just assume the severity and duration is distributed in some manner (we don't know what that is), and let's assume the amount of hesitation you experience, and your reaction to it is going to be different for others (people tend to be quite variable in sensitivity, skill, reaction time, planning, prediction, situational awareness, distraction, tasking, etc).
so depending upon the situation, when they aren't expecting the behavior (and evidently the hesitation in particular for the I4 doesn't always occur) it can and will take someone by surprise at the worse possible moment, further making a troubling situation worse.
from a human factors standpoint, i have no problem being in the definite safety issue camp. i can read the reports of those with the problem and while some will say annoyance, select others will say they just want out of the ride. either way, a little or a lot, repeatable or not, the behaviors for me are too much.
will that mean i'll be a late adopter of DBW and the safety and feature infrastructure it enables? well, if it's missapplied or it's bleeding edge, or its unreliable or quirky, the answer is a definite yes...
i have two 5-spd AT vehicles without DBW that are less than 5 years old and i do not experience these behaviors and i feel safer in them than i bet others feel in their vehicles with these behaviors. i personally expect the same AT performance from a new vehicle that i have now when i am ready to purchase something new. if say honda/acura or toyota/lexus can't deliver that, then i'll be forced to look elsewhere.
#3227 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [troj128]
Feb 28, 2007 (5:59 pm)
I am VERY interested in your story about your vehicle. What were the symptoms of your transmission failure. When did the symptoms start, or did the unit just fail completely at 13,000 miles? What was the attitude of the dealership? Has the new transmission been installed in your vehicle? How long did the process take to be completed? Did the dealership provide you with a loaner vehicle? Was the repair performed in a professional manner? Did the repair solve the problem? What was wrong with the old unit? Please respond at your convenience. ---- Best regards. ---- Dwayne
#3228 of 5646 TMSUSA -- still with us?
Feb 28, 2007 (6:36 pm)
TMSUSA, are you still on the board? Your last message was on 09-14-06 according to the search engine on this board. (For those who have joined this board later, TMSUSAS is (was) an employee of Toyota in Torrance, CA.)
If you are still on this board, what can you tell us about Toyota's resolution of the problems discussed on this board? Is the transmission being re-designed?
My wife just bought a new car, and Toyota lost another sale as a result of Toyota being unable to solve their transmission problems. My wife chose a 2007 Murano and is very happy with the way it drives.
So you all don't think we are anti-Toyota, we still have a 1994 Toyota pickup which runs just fine. This old truck may well appreciate if Toyota doesn't get their problems solved.
#3229 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [user777]
Mar 01, 2007 (5:57 am)
bear in mind that problems like this are NOT unique to Toyota, many of these newer higher tech multiple speeds trannies can operate strangley. Whether this be a function of FWD safety related issues as wwest contends, meaning 'computer' elimination of engine braking or possibly even torque steer issues with these high HP engines OR simply a method to control gearing in such a way to 'ace' a silly EPA mileage test, it almost doesn't matter because the net effect on how the car drives is the same.
DBW is not likely going anywhere simply because it is necessary to facilitate those other federally mandated systems (eg VSC etc.)that everybody seems to want. Unless we all decide that driving older cars is preferable, don't know that we are going to have any choice in the matter.
#3230 of 5646 Re: TMSUSA -- still with us? [nissanron]
Mar 01, 2007 (8:15 am)
TMSUSA has not been around since the early snapring problem.
Personally, as a new Toyota owner, I was very enlightened to find him/her on the board providing a direct unfiltered (by the dealer) conduit into Toyota to identify and resolve any new model year problems.
(S)he was around for the snapring, then dissolved. Too Bad......lost opportunities for Toyota to remove purchaser frustrations with getting the problems resolved.
My company spends tens of thousands of dollars for surveys, research, and purchaser feedback on our products and services to identify and resolve issues. Here is a free forum to them, and it's ignored. Oh well.