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Toyota Camry, Sedan
#3219 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [kdhspyder]
Feb 27, 2007 (5:00 pm)
well the snap ring prob was a pretty obvious defect, but the flaring / shift vagueness, excessive up/down shifting, hesitation... that's not so cut and dry, nor has toyota been as proactive addressing. if the owner goes in and they are told, it's normal, and the customer knows it isn't - the brand image isn't maintained. unfortunately, people have been having issues with their DBW-based vehicles going back several years now, and toyota is still dancing.
that is NOT moving forward.
#3220 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [user777]
Feb 27, 2007 (5:11 pm)
but the flaring / shift vagueness, excessive up/down shifting, hesitation... that's not so cut and dry, nor has toyota been as proactive addressing
You're right it's not so cut and dried and finding a solution is not so cut and dried. All the discussion here and all the possible scenarios lead to a multitude of causes and remedies. What seems to be right for one is not for another. So which is the right solution?
#3221 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [kdhspyder]
Feb 27, 2007 (6:38 pm)
buy back - another car? there's two options. a third might be full value towards another model. i don't know but any of the three would be good. the premise is that there are vehicles, the vast majority that don't have these issues...
now, let's say you've got a bad tranny; if you've got a bad tranny, they replace it and they give you a very sweet loaner while they get it, install it, and verify it to be conforming. let's say, 1K later it's nojoy.
they should come to you, pick up your car and provide you with a nice full refund plus extra for bothering you. that's being customer-centric.
ok, maybe my expectations need calibration, just like those ECU/TCMs, but, whatever you do, as a company, you don't make the loyal owners of your products feel like or allow them to be treated like idiots by leaving your dealers to claim everything is normal.
they deserve better.
#3222 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [user777]
Feb 28, 2007 (10:04 am)
dmathews3 & user777:
Toyota has been riding the wave of success for many years along with Honda. I recently purchased a 2007 V6 Camry, (that was manufactured in Japan), and I DO NOT have any of the problems that I am reading about on these sites. Presently, my vehicle has 3000 + miles on it, and I am very happy with the MPG and the performance, but I can empathize with the oweners of the 2007 V6 Camry who have problems.
Toyota had an issue with sludge build up in their engines in the past, and now they have a transmission issue is some of their V6 2007 Camry vehicles.
Doing the right thing is the "key" to corporate success with regards to any product. Any vehicle manufacturer can design and build a product that has a "glitch in the operating characteristics." What happens after that "glitch" is discovered separates the professionals from the amateurs in terms of corporate leadership!
The first thing the company needs to do is admit that there is a problem! The customer must be reassured that the company will stand behind the product, and that they are working on a solution, and it will be available ASAP!
After this action has taken place, the company needs to put their engineers on the problem in order to come up with a solution. The time between discovering a problem, coming up with a solution and putting that solution into practice is a critical factor! The company that manages this situation professionally wins!
Even though I DO NOT have any of these issues on my 2007 Camry, I will follow these posting very carefully because in three years or sooner, I will be in the market for another vehicle. I could have easily purchased a 2007 V6 Camry that has the problems posted on these sites. It was only the "luck of the draw" that gave me a vehicle made in Japan.
Best regards to everyone. ----- Keep sharing this important information. Information is "key" when making purchasing decisions.
Have a great day! ----- Dwayne
#3223 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [djm2]
Feb 28, 2007 (11:07 am)
Just be wary Dwayne. I was told by my dealership when I purchased my 2007 Camry V6 it was from Japan. (can be identified by the Vin they said). My transmission went at 13,000 miles and they informed me the new transmission is being shipped from Japan. So I am not too sure the Japanese made models are immune.
#3224 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [user777]
Feb 28, 2007 (1:54 pm)
if the owner goes in and they are told, it's normal
this is really where the problem is - IT IS NORMAL and it is operating the way that it was designed. Note, however, I didn't say this is good. Toyota runs the risk of 1) this being perceived as a safety issue, and all hell breaks loose and/or 2) they develop a reputation for making cars that are not as driveable as Brand X. Number 2 is already happening, number 1 may be a stretch at this point. As Toyota/Lexus is seemingly leading the pack on all this misapplied high tech ostensibly to protect us from ourselves and/or squeeze an extra mpg or two, driveability will suffer. For my part, I sit with an 05 Avalon that can exhibit the same sort of behaviors reported in this forum in the 5 speed Camrys but is less bothersome (to me) than apparently what is happening with the 'new/improved' 6 speed. Isn't progress wonderful - and wouldn't we all be happier with a simpler non-electronic 4 speed from 10 or 15 years ago?
#3225 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [troj128]
Feb 28, 2007 (2:02 pm)
actually I believe that the engines are all made in Missouri, the trannies in Indiana and then both exported to Japan where a small percentage of Camrys are assembled. Honda does a simliar thing with the Accord. Other than fit/finish, there should not logically be any difference between Japan and US made Camrys.
#3226 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [captain2]
Feb 28, 2007 (3:56 pm)
i'm repeating myself but the assumption which *some* people have is there is no number (1) (i.e. safety-related) issue involved with hesitation, excessive shifting, flaring and the like. i see your point about drivability and experience, and these behaviors would drive me crazy as i've never experienced them before and have no intention of
"learning" to avoid them, anticipate them, get used to them.
but, specifically w.r.t. hesitation - let's just assume the severity and duration is distributed in some manner (we don't know what that is), and let's assume the amount of hesitation you experience, and your reaction to it is going to be different for others (people tend to be quite variable in sensitivity, skill, reaction time, planning, prediction, situational awareness, distraction, tasking, etc).
so depending upon the situation, when they aren't expecting the behavior (and evidently the hesitation in particular for the I4 doesn't always occur) it can and will take someone by surprise at the worse possible moment, further making a troubling situation worse.
from a human factors standpoint, i have no problem being in the definite safety issue camp. i can read the reports of those with the problem and while some will say annoyance, select others will say they just want out of the ride. either way, a little or a lot, repeatable or not, the behaviors for me are too much.
will that mean i'll be a late adopter of DBW and the safety and feature infrastructure it enables? well, if it's missapplied or it's bleeding edge, or its unreliable or quirky, the answer is a definite yes...
i have two 5-spd AT vehicles without DBW that are less than 5 years old and i do not experience these behaviors and i feel safer in them than i bet others feel in their vehicles with these behaviors. i personally expect the same AT performance from a new vehicle that i have now when i am ready to purchase something new. if say honda/acura or toyota/lexus can't deliver that, then i'll be forced to look elsewhere.
#3227 of 5646 Re: 1999 Camry Engine Failure [troj128]
Feb 28, 2007 (5:59 pm)
I am VERY interested in your story about your vehicle. What were the symptoms of your transmission failure. When did the symptoms start, or did the unit just fail completely at 13,000 miles? What was the attitude of the dealership? Has the new transmission been installed in your vehicle? How long did the process take to be completed? Did the dealership provide you with a loaner vehicle? Was the repair performed in a professional manner? Did the repair solve the problem? What was wrong with the old unit? Please respond at your convenience. ---- Best regards. ---- Dwayne
#3228 of 5646 TMSUSA -- still with us?
Feb 28, 2007 (6:36 pm)
TMSUSA, are you still on the board? Your last message was on 09-14-06 according to the search engine on this board. (For those who have joined this board later, TMSUSAS is (was) an employee of Toyota in Torrance, CA.)
If you are still on this board, what can you tell us about Toyota's resolution of the problems discussed on this board? Is the transmission being re-designed?
My wife just bought a new car, and Toyota lost another sale as a result of Toyota being unable to solve their transmission problems. My wife chose a 2007 Murano and is very happy with the way it drives.
So you all don't think we are anti-Toyota, we still have a 1994 Toyota pickup which runs just fine. This old truck may well appreciate if Toyota doesn't get their problems solved.