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Toyota Camry, Sedan
#2893 of 5646 Re: So much for Bullet-proof Toyota reliability... [user777]
Jan 21, 2007 (4:46 am)
Well put. Toyota is not the only company asleep at the wheel. Honda has major quality control & design defect issues as well.
If a new Camry was $20k in 1990 and $20k in 2007 something had to give. Cheaper materials, outsourcing, and junior inexperienced designers (cheaper labor) cannot build a superior vehicle it once was in the 90's.
It still amazes me though how a company could release a Beta Camry which is Toyota's bread & butter. I test drove a '07 4cyl Camry when it was first realeased in the summer. I knew immediately after a 1/4mile that the car had a hesitation problem & confused transmission.
#2894 of 5646 Re: camry v-6 [chuck28]
Jan 21, 2007 (7:06 am)
YOu are right. Back when cat.converters first came out the first few years were like that. Then as computers were added and engines went to fuel injection that problem all but went away.
#2895 of 5646 Re: camry v-6 [dmathews3]
Jan 21, 2007 (7:18 am)
Thanks for the reply though I have a 2007 camry v-6 se that causes that bad smell when the car is driven hard at high speeds. It it normal? Thanks , chuck
#2896 of 5646 Re: So much for Bullet-proof Toyota reliability... [wwest]
Jan 21, 2007 (8:05 am)
I appreciate your polite response. I was expecting to get flamed, as would have almost certainly happened in the GM forum. That thread (GM: General Model View, Market Share & Profit News) is starting to heat up, now that both sides are going at it. Initially, comments there were pretty much limited to the "home team" cheerleaders, who were largely parroting the GM line: the next Big Thing is just around the corner.
I don't know about you, but had something like I proposed actually happened and I knew of it for CERTAIN and were asked to keep it on the QT I probably would.
Well, I certainly would too, but as I said, there are plenty of players who'd be all too willing to spill the beans if they were paid enough to "tell all." Just think how much one of the national TV
scare mongerers news shows would ante up for a breathless "exclusive."
As for Bush and WMDs, there were plenty of skeptics before he started his fine mess we're in now. Enough said on that.
#2897 of 5646 Re: camry v-6 [chuck28]
Jan 21, 2007 (8:09 am)
It's the residual sulfur in gasoline that causes the stench. I'd try a different brand of gasoline first.
#2898 of 5646 Re: So much for Bullet-proof Toyota reliability... [user777]
Jan 21, 2007 (8:09 am)
the reason why these vehicles don't operate properly is toyota putting first to commercialize / market / margin / profit / lean... yes yes $$$ above what was once engineering excellence.
However being an engineer you have taken logic and you well know that you cannot draw conclusions from the specific to the general. It still remains to be shown that these specific problems being experienced are not in a very small minority. Apparently by the sheer weight of numbers growing evey month the technology does work for the vast majority of drivers.
Is it a perfect technology? No, it never will be. However you paint a picture from a tainted viewpoint. Your problems are certainly real and need to be addressed. However from the weight of evidence the technology does what it has been programmed to do.
It doesn't appear from your last statement that you are analyzing the overall data in a balanced and impartial manner.
#2899 of 5646 Re: So much for Bullet-proof Toyota reliability... [210delray]
Jan 21, 2007 (8:14 am)
Ambassador Wilson, SoS Colin Powell?
#2900 of 5646 Re: So much for Bullet-proof Toyota reliability... [kdhspyder]
Jan 21, 2007 (8:20 am)
I agree with you. Yes, some people have had definite problems, especially with the new Camry's V6 6-speed powertrain. But the extent of the problem is unclear at this point.
Now I know many (most?) Edmunds commenters seem to despise Consumer Reports' reliability surveys. But FWIW, the first-year results for the Camry are in, and the transmission gets the highest mark (red circle) for reliability. Of all problem areas, electricals get the lowest mark (half black circle).
Then again, since the V6 sells in much smaller proportions to the 4-cylinder, there may not have been very many responses received from V6 owners.
And, if you want to help build a better mousetrap (reliability survey, that is), you might want to check out this guy's website. (I am not affiliated with him, BTW, so no self-promotion here.) Click here.
#2901 of 5646 Re: Camry V-6 Se [chuck28]
Jan 21, 2007 (8:23 am)
I have an SE that has been operating perfectly since purchase in mid-November. Mind you, is has only 2500 km to date, but included two longer hiway trips and the rest in-town travel over both freeways and regular street driving. Car was built on August 21, 2006.
Jan 21, 2007 (8:48 am)
Can anyone tell me how I find out when my car was built? The sticker does not have a date, just a factory location.