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Saturn gets Opel Astra

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Re: Forget the hybrid [bumpy] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 25, 2007 6:48 am)

The 2-mode is just an imagination ? Why do you say that ?
 
Rocky
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Re: Forget the hybrid [rockylee] by bumpy
Apr 25, 2007 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 6:50 am)

I've never seen anything showing a GM 2MH (I'm tired of typing out 2-mode hybrid) configured for a smaller FWD car like the Astra. All I've seen are full-size RWD car and truck applications.
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Re: Forget the hybrid [bumpy] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 25, 2007 7:10 am)

http://www.hybridcar.com/news/in-the-news/45-percent-better-fuel-economy-from-sa- turn-vue-2-mode-hybrid-in-2008.html
 
Yeah, you are correct once again but I believe the 2-Mode will go into cars as well as capacity increases. Remember they are sharing this technology with Chrysler, and BMW.
 
Rocky
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Re: Thought I Did Post A Link To Interior Photo Before? [rockylee] by carthell
Jun 10, 2007 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 11:41 pm)

would be interesting to see how good of fuel economy a Astra, would get ?
 
GM likes putting its 2.2/2.4 liter ECOTEC into every small car application that it can. And, since the current vehicle emphasis is on POWER, I'd be moderately surprised if the car breaks 24 mpg in mixed driving.
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Re: Thought I Did Post A Link To Interior Photo Before? [carthell] by holdenguy
Jun 11, 2007 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: carthell (Jun 10, 2007 8:39 am)

Build your own Astra via the link.
We have had these for ages.
 
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/
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Astra gets 1.8 L I-4 by harrychezt
Jun 11, 2007 (9:29 am)
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http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/12137/2008-saturn-astra.html
 
Also, claims 08 MPG should be 23/31.
I heard one guy said he looked up Opel from overseas, (he did not send the link or name of it. Sorry)....and 0-60 with automatic was around 10.5 seconds.
 
Hope it's not that slow. If it takes more than 9.5 seconds to 60, and does not get 45-50 MPG... I might pass.
I do too much hwy driving to get too slow of a car these days( and I drove a 90 Nissan Sentra of times around 11 seconds to 60, and a Chevy Spectrum around 12 seconds to 60, in 87).
Back then, cars were smaller, saw a lot of 85-95 MPH speedometers on cars back then,simialr 0-60 times, etc.. Today? Too many Huge Vehicles out there to hope to dodge them with a slow car.
 
Take care, not offense.
Maybe if they bring out a larger engine....
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Re: Astra gets 1.8 L I-4 [harrychezt] by bumpy
Jun 11, 2007 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: harrychezt (Jun 11, 2007 9:29 am)

About the only hope for a larger engine is a Redline badge for the Astra 2.0L turbo. The 1.8L is plenty of engine for people who aren't trying to race the world. This thing is basically the same size and power as the Nissan Versa, and no one is getting run over in those.
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Re: Astra gets 1.8 L I-4 [bumpy] by dodo2
Jun 13, 2007 (8:16 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Jun 11, 2007 10:25 am)

Not to mention the Civic which has exactly the same size engine and HP and there are gazillions of them on the road.
If Astra makes it here as it appears - unchanged other than the front&rear bumper and some cup holders, and GM price it right, it should sell very well. It has the best looking interior on the small car market - I dare the say even better than the Mazda3.
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well by harrychezt
Jun 14, 2007 (11:01 am)
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it sounds ok.
I'll wait for the SX4 sedan this fall.
Check it out(although hatches are better, imho).
It will be about Elantra sized(176-177 in length) 143HP. MPG may only be 30-31, though( Suzuki always has had lower MPG than Asian automakers).
But MPG would be similar to the Astra(but no hatch, but a larger vehicle, think the hatch is 167.3 inches long, iirc, if what I heard is correct, and the SX4 is 177 inches long... 10 more inches of"Crunch room" in case of an accident... I believe the Civic is longer than this car, or close to it...so not as small as the Astra?).
The Astra will be labeled a sub-compact, but with larger interior than most?
I like it.
I just don't understand how a car, 2.4Liter, I-4, with 160HP, similar size and weight , can get same, or better mpg as the Astra with 1.8 liter/140HP engine?
Is it tighter tolerances(in the engine.....)? That's what one mechanic told me.
The tighter the internal tolerances(and if done correctly)the higher the MPG they can get?
This MPG is Suzuki-like.
 
Then others may say"Fusion gets 31MPG, is a larger car", and that's true.
Who knows?
Unfortuantely, no matter what i like, due to upside-down in loan/trade-in, I ain't getting nothing new for 1-2 more years. So, I may have time. Maybe the 173(one site said 178? Think Edmunds has a first drive on Astra now,on blogs?)...turbo would suffice....maybe by 09- 2010? If that's the case, hmmmmm.
 
Oh, btw... if yer in a small(Yaris sized, at least) car, pull up to some of the larger suv's and trucks... see where the bumper hits... about head-level Now ya can see why I am thinking of larger cars.
Around here, GM country... 65% of all vehicles are still trucks.
see ya.
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Re: well [harrychezt] by bumpy
Jun 14, 2007 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: harrychezt (Jun 14, 2007 11:01 am)

I just don't understand how a car, 2.4Liter, I-4, with 160HP, similar size and weight , can get same, or better mpg as the Astra with 1.8 liter/140HP engine?

 
Gearing, and how unaggressively the fuel maps are set up.

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