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air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element by zabeth
Jul 28, 2006 (8:07 am)
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I bought a 2005 Element last year and have loved it. Recently the air conditioning stopped working. I called the dealer in Seattle who said it was under warranty unless something had blown into the condensor from the road. Sure enough, they claimed that something had flown in and tore up the air conditioning system. The repair bill was $835. Even more difficult is the fact that another rock from the road next week could blow out the air conditioning again. The attendant I worked with said he's seen in before in an Odyssey and a CRV, because the condensor is unprotected. He suggested taking it to a body shop to have some kind of grill fabricated that would protect the condensor but not impede the flow of air.
Anybody have such troubles or hear anything like it?
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [zabeth] by steve_ HOST
Jul 28, 2006 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: zabeth (Jul 28, 2006 8:07 am)

You may want to contact Honda and question the diagnosis. See this discussion:
 
CR-V: AC Compressor Issues
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [zabeth] by gonzo3165
Jul 28, 2006 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: zabeth (Jul 28, 2006 8:07 am)

I have seen discussion of this problem on another Element Forum. Basically, people are buying Home Depot gutter guards (usually the black ones) and using black zip ties to attach it to the lower grill, either directly to the outside or from the inside if you want a little bigger challenge. It doesn't look that bad, allows air flow and saves you an $835 repair bill. The gutter screens are to keep leaves out of gutters on your house and can be had for around $5 or so. That and 10-15 minutes of your time are well worth it. More expensive options exist if you really worry about appearance.
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [gonzo3165] by djm2
Jul 30, 2006 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: gonzo3165 (Jul 28, 2006 4:08 pm)

gonzo3165:
       Why can't Honda make an "add on" grill to solve this problem? After paying for a NEW vehicle, the customer, has to go to "Home Depot" to purchase "gutter guards" to solve a Honda design issue! Is this the image that Honda wants to portray in the "new vehicle marketplace"? ---- (Honda and Home Depot perfect together)! ---- (or)---- (Get your Honda fixed with Home Depot parts)! ---- What is wrong with this picture? ----- If "gutter guards" can solve the problem, why can't Honda make a grill to do the same thing, and look better in the process?------- Best regards. ----Dwayne
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air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element by zabeth
Jul 31, 2006 (7:03 am)
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Thank you for your responses. I contacted American Honda who stated it was probably a rare occurrence and had no intention of being responsible for the problem. I became a squeaky wheel and so a case was opened on the issue... They also indicated that they don't endorese modification of the car in such a way to protect the exposed condensor, covering themselves further from liability, in case leaves or something gets caught in the added parts and a fire starts... They siad that it has also happend to Odysseys and CRVs. A service person at a dealer in McMinnville, OR suggested I look at billit grilles that kids use to soup up there cars. I found plenty on line, made to fit my car precisely, $46. plus shipping. I'm going to talk to my mechanic about installing one.
It's unfortunate that Honda doesn't design retrofits. It looks like the 2007 Honda has a new front grill design. I'm drivng my Element tentatively and I guess the honeymoon is over.
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [zabeth] by gonzo3165
Jul 31, 2006 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: zabeth (Jul 31, 2006 7:03 am)

zabeth, check out elementownersclub.com. There are numerous discussions about grille modifications, ranging from the Home Depot solution, to aftermarket grilles, to the billet grille (I called them cattle guards when I lived in Texas) you mentioned. Some cost over $100, and if you can't do the installation the price goes up even more. I can't tell from pictures if the billet grilles do a whole lot to protect the grilles, and I have not seen one in person. Let us know how things turn out for you.
 
Dwayne, I hear you, man! Why would a reputable company simply bury their heads in the sand and pretend there is no problem when a fairly cheap solution surely must exist. Maybe this will be addressed in the 2007's, but who knows.
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [zabeth] by wamba2000
Jul 31, 2006 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: zabeth (Jul 31, 2006 7:03 am)

zabeth, I installed the "gutter guard" solution on my 2004 EX. Lowes had black plastic gutter guard, so you can't really see it and it matches the factory black grill area. Between cutting the guard to length, then installing with black zip ties, the whole thing took about 20 mintes. I picked off about 6 bugs that woudl have hit the condensor on a recent trip. The gutter guard still has some flex to it, but won't stop the airflow.
 
Sorry to hear you had to pay the $800+. You can see pics of the gutter guard install on the elementownersclub website as refernced in another message. Look in the Do-It-Yourself Modifications tab.
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07 E by bwong06
Jul 31, 2006 (6:51 pm)
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When are the 07 elements due to hit the lot? I really want to get a Element but the upgrades on the 07 might make me wait
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [gonzo3165] by djm2
Jul 31, 2006 (6:52 pm)
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Replying to: gonzo3165 (Jul 31, 2006 8:47 am)

gonzo3165:
    If a stone was to be sucked into the engine, because of a poorly designed air intake system, would Honda make the customer responsible for that damage TOO? Honda is putting a "spin" on this entire issue. A grill could be easily designed to clamp onto the existing grill network. They know that there is a problem, but they will do nothing about the problem! They are giving sales away to Hyundai and Kia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Best regards. -----Dwayne
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Re: air conditioning design weaknees for Honda Element [djm2] by dhnsx
Jul 31, 2006 (10:16 pm)
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Replying to: djm2 (Jul 31, 2006 6:52 pm)

i would rather walk than drive a Hyundai or Kia.

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