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Toyota Yaris, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Hatchback
#553 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [toyotafan6]
Apr 06, 2012 (9:03 pm)
Some of the low scores were: for flexibility - got a 2 out of possible 5.
For features/amenities, got a 4 out of possible 10.
The flexibility thing is exclusively and totally because they are totally in love with the Fit's "magic seat", which I will admit is pretty nifty if you are going to be doing a lot of carrying people and cargo at various times in the car. With the Fit getting a 5 for the magic seat, the Yaris gets a 2 by comparison, but if you will mostly be alone or with one passenger in the car (which is my case as this is my commute car) the magic seat won't matter much.....
Features/amenities: they get graded down for no factory moonroof or NAV, and for the ages-old 4-speed automatic which I agree is a bit of a disgrace for Toyota at this point.....and in a totally redesigned model no less. All the other models in the class except the Mazda2 have the edge there. But if you get a manual it won't matter how many gears the automatic has!
If fun to drive is important to you at all, you should get the Yaris. The SE is the most fun to drive of any of the cars in this class, including the Fit Sport IMO.
#554 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [nippononly]
Apr 07, 2012 (4:39 am)
But if you get a manual it won't matter how many gears the automatic has!
No. But it will matter how many gears the manual has! C/D complained about the Yaris needing another gear in the manual tranny. Several competitors have 6-speed sticks now, which help for fuel economy and noise.
Most in the cars in that test had no factory moonroof available, so I doubt the Yaris got down-graded for that.
#555 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [backy]
Apr 07, 2012 (6:56 pm)
The Sonic and the Rio both offer a moonroof, (as does the Fiesta, not in the test but until recently the sales champ in the segment), so it's reasonable to count its absence as an option against the Yaris (and Fit).
As for the manuals, you are totally correct that the Fit and Yaris are both behind on that count, and in fact the reviews of both noted how high the engines revved at normal highway speeds. They should have a proper cruising gear. Of course they still get the best as-tested mileage of the group even with less gears to choose from!
#556 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [nippononly]
Apr 07, 2012 (8:14 pm)
I said "Most in the cars in that test had no factory moonroof available", which is correct: Fit, Yaris, Accent, Versa don't have a moonroof available. And three of the top four, including the top car (Fit) have no moonroof. So I really don't think it mattered in the overall score. C/D is all about handling. That's why the Yaris ranked as high as it did. Also the Fit, and Sonic.
The lack of a 6th cog (noise on the highway) is a key reason why I cannot consider the Fit, although it's a fun car to drive.
#557 of 599 Gears
Apr 08, 2012 (2:18 am)
Before getting too terribly excited about how many gears are available, check the RPM of each contender at a given highway speed.
When a given car goes from 4 speed to 5 speed, did the "Top" gear ratio actually change? Or did they do some shuffling and insert the new gear into the lower 4?
These small 4 bangers depend on RPM to do their thing. If the "TOP" gear is too high, it won't be good for much more than level ground running.
Peer pressure is powerful and no doubt the 4 speed autos in Toyota's line up will change to a larger number of gears "Just Because" . But will that actually do anything for overall fuel millage?
Most of the noise we hear in our 09 Rav4 and Honda Ridgeline are road noises, not engine noises. As was the 03 CR-V and Pilot. And truthfully, the RAV4 is extremely noisy at idle and lower rpm, Sounds like a tractor when standing outside it.
In the small 4 banger line, we have had a rental Honda Civic with the 5 speed auto, and a Corolla with the 4 speed auto. The Civic "SEEMED" a tad quicker 0-60 but the Corolla got better fuel mileage. And didn't seem as "Busy" as the Civic.
Possibly a Yaris - Fit comparison might yield the same results.
#558 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [lhanson]
Apr 08, 2012 (3:34 am)
i also own a 2007 yaris hb and i got 38.5 my last tank all suburban chicago driving. only things i have done is oil and filter,wiper blades and new tires. i have just over 50,000 miles on it and purchased it new. i paid $14,200 including ttl. its the auto with pw/pl. my mpg drop down a little in the winter but the yaris loves warmer weather.
#559 of 599 Re: Gears [kipk]
Apr 08, 2012 (8:56 am)
Yes, good point, it's not just about number of gears. For example, the 5-speed Golf with the 2.5L engine revs low in 5th, thus is quiet on the highway and gets good fuel economy (better than the EPA estimates in my experience).
The Yaris (based on previous generation) and Fit are examples where 5th gear revs high (over 3000 rpm on the highway) and the high revs contribute to noise at cruise. I also suspect both cars could get better highway fuel economy if they had a 6th gear, overdrive, that would allow cruising at lower RPMs. They are small and light with small engines.
#560 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [lhanson]
Apr 12, 2012 (9:17 am)
Latest fillup for 2012 Yaris LE:
onboard mpg computer: 35.2
Manually calculated: 36.5
This is 90% city driving.
I have named her "Sippy" because she sips gas!
#561 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [toyotafan6]
Apr 12, 2012 (10:41 am)
Let's clone your car and start handing them out so we can become energy efficient. Oh wait; Americans can drive anything that doesn't have 85 cubic feet of room for their umbrella. I forgot; silly me.
#562 of 599 Re: MPG - 2012 Yaris LE [maxx4me]
Apr 12, 2012 (1:13 pm)
HeHe - I know what you mean!
Now I do have to tell you that I have the psi in my tires slightly higher than the recommended 33 psi - right now they are at 36 psi - it has been my experience that a little extra air will improve gas mileage -
Also, I do coast now and again, usually when I see a stop light up ahead and it's red I will take my foot off the gas and coast if it's feasible - but I'm not a hypermiler (not that there's anything wrong with that!)
Other than that, just normal stop and go driving -
My last car (2001 Corolla LE) got a pretty consistent 30 mpg city and 39 highway which is what the sticker said, my Yaris' sticker stated 30 mpg city and 35 highway so needless to say up to this point I'm a happy camper!