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Toyota Yaris Real-World MPG

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Re: Wide Tires vs MPG [lparkhill] by micweb
Jul 10, 2008 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: lparkhill (Jul 10, 2008 12:30 pm)

The lighter your wheels and tires, the better mileage you will get. The less rolling resistance in your tires, the better your mileage. Going to an extreme set up with 17" wheels won't help mileage, ultra low profile tires of necessity have stiff sidewalls, and I doubt the combination will improve handling. I would estimate a 10% drop in mileage. Consumer Reports has tire rolling resistance ratings. BTW, weight on the axles (tires and wheels and brakes) is really important, because it is "unsprung" weight and disproportionately degrades handling; it also disproportionately impacts power and fuel economy since tires and wheels have to be "spun" up to speed and it's harder to spin a heavier setup (the centrifugal effect).
 
If you are looking for handling instead of just appearance, you might consider adding a TRD rear sway bar first, tracking down some ultra light wheels on Tire Rack (sub 14 pound) and do a more conservative upgrade to 195 Michelin Exalto A/S tires which, according to CR, handle great and have good rolling resistance. Costco has good pricing on them in 14" (and the 14" are actually a sweet spot in terms of size, I had 195x14/60 Kumho KH16s on my Yaris LB with the sway bar and it was a sweet handling, easy riding, quiet set-up). I actually stuck with the steelies that came with the car because in many cases, modern "after market" wheels are actually heavier than steel wheels, particularly when you start "upsizing." But Tire Rack has some "light" aluminum wheels (Kosei?) on their website if you are looking to upgrade appearance as well as performance and they list all the wheel and tire weights.
 
If you use an ultra low profile, stiff sidewall tire (and the set up you propose falls into that category) the reduction in mileage should be about 10%. Going from low resistance, OEM tires to higher resistance, higher performing tires is usually a 3% drop, but not all high performance tires have a built-in penalty, and not all "all season" radials are low rolling resistance. Consumer Reports has begun reporting on the rolling resistance of the tires it tests, and this will be more common as concerns about fuel efficiency grow.
 
There ought to be a cheaper, more functional, more fuel efficient way to "tart up" the Yaris without going to the set-up you describe. You might want to research whether the wheel/tire set up from the Scion xD would fit your Yaris LB, they are very similar vehicles, and maybe someone will sell their Scion xD 16" tires and wheels as a setup you could just swap onto your Yaris. You would need to go to a tire size/wheel size conversion calculator, here:
 
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg2.html
 
to compare the stock Yaris and Scion wheel/tire size combination (you can actually just compare the two tire sizes and see if the diameters are close enough).
 
That webpage also talks in great deal about tire and wheel issues.
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Re: Yaris MPG [podred] by bamacar
Jul 10, 2008 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: podred (Jul 10, 2008 12:16 pm)

Have to disagree with you here. If you live in a light use A/C area like California then this may be true but not in the Southeast where there is high heat and high humidity. My Yaris in mixed driving gets about 38 in Spring and Fall but suffers a 2 mpg loss in summer with heavy A/C used to about 36 mpg. Although the A/C is efficient it is still percentage wise roughly the same as any other vehicle out there - about 5% decrease in fuel economy when used heavily.
 
My Spring/Fall A/C use when temps are like 70-80 has a much reduced negative effect on fuel economy.
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Re: Wide Tires vs MPG [lparkhill] by pcovers
Jul 11, 2008 (3:48 am)
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Replying to: lparkhill (Jul 10, 2008 12:30 pm)

28 mpg?
 
So far I have filled up 6 times since I drove it off the lot and 5 of the 6 were 40+mpg and the one under was 38.8mpg. Do you have automatic and drive primarily in the city?
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Wider tires = worse mileage. by kipk
Jul 11, 2008 (4:55 am)
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Check out bicycle tires. Racer and road tires are very narrow and shaped so that only the center tread is on the road. They roll easier and require less energy from the rider.
 
Cruiser and mountain bikes use wider tires for better stability.. But they require more energy from the rider.
 
Kip
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Re: Wider tires = worse mileage. [kipk] by pf_flyer HOST
Jul 11, 2008 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 11, 2008 4:55 am)

Excellent point. And if you want to experience how much of a difference proper tire pressure can make first hand, try riding a bike with under-inflated tires and see how much more energy you have to put out to keep it rolling.
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Re: blah, blah, blah [psulions] by jetfirek
Jul 13, 2008 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: psulions (May 23, 2008 10:30 am)

You can get your point across just as nicely without being rude. I am looking forward to receiving my Yaris Sport hatchback. I have never seen one but I ordered everything available except the blue lights on the floor....
 
I sold my Lexus ES 330 loaded with GPS and my husband and I are thrilled to be getting a Yaris. ...
 
So try getting your point across NICELY....and your opinon will be received with respect.
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Re: blah, blah, blah [jetfirek] by kipk
Jul 14, 2008 (12:46 am)
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Replying to: jetfirek (Jul 13, 2008 6:02 pm)

Good Post!
 
Please keep in touch with your thoughts, ideas, and impressions of the Yaris.
 
When do you expect to get it ?
 
Kip
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Re: Wide Tires vs MPG [pcovers] by lparkhill
Jul 14, 2008 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: pcovers (Jul 11, 2008 3:48 am)

I've got an automatic, the first full tank was from the dealer and may not have been completely full. I drive 50/50 highway/city but I'm in southern California and the freeways are like city driving especially during rush hour....stop and go, add to the mix that I don't baby the throttle as much as I could or should and you get 35 mpg. I've been driving a 350Z with a heavy foot for the last 4 years and it's going to take a little practice to hone my gas stretching skills.
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Re: Wide Tires vs MPG [micweb] by lparkhill
Jul 14, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: micweb (Jul 10, 2008 1:23 pm)

Micweb, thanks for the reply, a lot of good information and a great web site you sent. I think I'll take your advice and go with a smaller rim. My LB came with 15" rims and I think I'll stick with that size and for now use the tires that came on the car, maybe forego the lower springs and add the sway bar.
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Re: Wide Tires vs MPG [lparkhill] by micweb
Jul 14, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: lparkhill (Jul 14, 2008 11:32 am)

I think you'll be VERY happy with the TRD sway bar. You can get it from the accessories department at the Toyota dealership or order one on line from a Toyota dealer (it's cheaper that way). If you have a Toyota dealer install it, the bar, your suspension, are warrantied for the remainder of your 3/36k mile warranty period. It made a world of difference on my Yaris, I still miss that car!

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