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Replying to: psulions (May 16, 2008 8:03 am) There are hyper milers and the kid with the Corolla. What about the normal guy? The guy who needs to get to work on time, and does not want to spend an hour saving a gallon of gas? This guy needs to stop listening to those who claim that they will get better than sticker mpg." I would argue the average guy is exactly who should be listening. There are far more of them than the other two groups you mention. Small incremental changes in driving habits add up and can make a difference in overall fuel mileage in your current vehicle, no matter what it is. On a side note, my 15 mile commute takes an additional 3 minutes driving 60mph on the highway section vs. the 80-85mph that I used to do. A nice Yaris 5 speed is starting to sound nice.
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Replying to: jsmith1975 (May 19, 2008 9:53 am) On a side note, my 15 mile commute takes an additional 3 minutes driving 60mph on the highway section vs. the 80-85mph that I used to do. A nice Yaris 5 speed is starting to sound nice. Very nice post.... Right On! Let me share from experience that I too, had a talk with myself and began driving 60 to 65mph in my new Yaris 2dr hatch and I'm not only enjoying the increased savings in fuel, but find I arrive at my destination feeling more calm. In addition, one other "rule" I decided to obey was to decide to do less lane changing. Thereby reducing the possibility of an accident. This too has brought a completely different experience once I allowed a couple of weeks to adapt to it. Now, I'm here to say that your "a nice Yaris 5 speed" comment is right on target. I am enjoying mine more everyday, as I pass the very gas station that I used to stop at weekly. Even more humorous, and satisfying was the comment by the owner the last time I filled the Yaris.....My I haven't seen you in awhile? To which I bit my lip until I drove out onto the street and began to laugh in satisfaction and sheer contentment. This is the best investment I've made in a long time..... 
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Replying to: psulions (May 16, 2008 8:03 am) Actually it's easy to exceed the fuel economy numbers printed on the new car price sticker. It's all in how you drive and where. It's important to remember that the EPA fuel economy numbers are the result of testing in a lab. Not driving the car in real world conditions. Thus vehicle aerodynamics are left out of the equation. When actually _driving the car_ the shape and coefficient of drag play a major role. Then we have the styling and overall "looks" of a car are which are quite deceiving. A perfect example of this is my 2008 Yaris 2 door hatchback. Most people will agree that the big bulbous front end, results in a lot of drag. You'd be wrong, by a wide margin. Most people looking at a low, sleek tapered nose, like on the front of my very aerodynamic Mercedes AMG SL 65 Roadster would result in a lot less drag than the Yaris. They'd be wrong. Here are the true numbers (lower is better) .28 CD for 2008 Yaris 2dr Hatchback (all for the low low price of $14,800) .30 CD for 2008 MBZ SL 65 AMG (all for the not so low price of $192,000) Now, obviously I did not buy the Mercedes for it's fuel economy, I'm simply using it as an example of how well Toyota has a handle on the aerodynamics of it's cars. Thus providing every opportunity for the owners to obtain some very good results in the mileage department.....
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Replying to: podred (May 19, 2008 11:29 am) I'm sorry but you tell me what you are saving after you spend the three hundred bucks for the miserscan and the K&I filter not to mention the time wasted on all of this plus driving slow! Timing red lights, coasting to a stop, installing springs in the back of your garage so you can capture the wasted energy of parking your car at night. (good grief)
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Replying to: podred (May 19, 2008 11:29 am) The ratings are not calculated at high speeds, and drag is exponential. My Honda Accord Sedan 4cyl gets the same mileage at 80mpg as my Yaris Sedan - and it weighs a third more. Yaris is blunt in front and steep in rear. Toyota blew it in this area. Regardless, I'm sure they were not concerned with the 80mph driver in this class of car. Your Mercedes is engineered to outperform the Yaris if you apply the handicap considering the difference in class. Yes, I know I could just slow down. |
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Replying to: podred (May 19, 2008 11:29 am) I agree with you 100%. However, there are people that simply do not have the ability to do that.  Sad but true! Kip
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Replying to: kipk (May 20, 2008 4:05 am) The intrinsic cost are often overlooked by people who are focused only on the gas gauge. Negative externalities are also ignored. There are other people on the road. Again....sure you can do it. But does it really make sense?
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Replying to: psulions (May 19, 2008 4:41 pm) Timing red lights, coasting to a stop, installing springs in the back of your garage so you can capture the wasted energy of parking your car at night. Very funny.... but you must be drifting off into another land. At no time did I say that I made any modifications to the car other than to install the electronic readout, which is no different that those cars that come from the factory with trip computers. I happen to be having fun with all this, sorry to have lightened up your serious negative side. I will leave you alone to stew.....
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Replying to: kipk (May 17, 2008 4:01 am) Simple really. 1) Leave for work, allowing yourself time to get there without having to ride peoples bumpers. Or weave wildly in and out of lanes. 2) Calculate the time spent driving at a reasonable speed (like the speed limit) and you will find that it's not an hour.....it's usually just a few extra minutes. 3) Learn to relax...and breathe.... you will live longer. After all, your only driving to work.....
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Replying to: psulions (May 20, 2008 6:54 am) Of course there are other people on the road. If not, there would be no traffic and no need for traffic lights. As I wrote in post 346, which you choose to ignore: "Therefore I try to get the best mileage possible from whatever I'm driving. Keeping traffic conditions in mind." However I'm not going to let other drivers dictate my particular driving style. I'm not going to exceed the speed limit on local streets more than 5 mph. I'm not exceeding 65 on the free ways. On 2 lane highways, I will drive 5 mph over the posted speed limit. If I notice traffic stacking up behind me, I will pull over or speed up slightly. I don't really care that the guy behind me is not happy going 5 mph over the speed limit. I'm not going to tail gate the car ahead of me because the guy behind me wants to rush me along. I'm not going to run right up to a stop sign or red light before slamming on brakes, because that is what the guy behind me wants to do. On a 30 mile commute, all road, I will get there within 3-5 minutes of when you do. In traffic, we will get there about the same time. I will burn less fuel and be more refreshed than if I was rushing the entire time. What you consider a normal driver and what I consider a normal driver are different. I'm not a hypermiler by a long shot. But, every time I beat that EPA sticker by a good margin, I win.  If you are happy getting poor mileage, great!  Kip
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