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Replying to: mhanson (May 06, 2008 9:43 am) My Echo, with the predecessor engine to the Yaris, and an automatic, only got 30 mpg. 34 mpg is pretty darn good. Most of my manual transmission cars hit 30 mpg, not 34, and when one of my cars does better than 30 I'm really happy. In other words, I take your post as an accolade not a disparagement. |
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Replying to: psulions (May 06, 2008 4:09 am) I disagree with the above. I do not have a Yaris, but I am easily able to get into the 35-38 MPG range with an '07 Accord 4-cyl automatic on my commute. My commute is 15 miles one way consisting of 1/3 city, 2/3 highway. I pretty much drive at the speed limit on all roads. Occasionally someone will get anxious because I accelerate slower than most. It comes down to getting feedback while driving, a Scangauge II in my case, in order to adjust your driving habits. I am what most consider a hypermiler. I do not shut the engine off while driving though. Most of the techniques are very easy to learn and use and take a couple of weeks to master. I am confident I could push a manual Yaris into the 50mpg range doing what I do now in my Accord. |
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It has been my experience that the use of a Scangauge II while driving is quite advantageous. The real key is to monitor the read out closely, be sure one leaves early enough to be able to relax and not feel rushed, and have the patience to drive in an entirely manor. If I stay focused well ahead of my car, then I am able to begin to react to slowing traffic sooner. Conversely if I'm watching my rear view mirror closely and there is no one behind me I can begin my coasting sooner. Easy to say, very hard to do. At least from my perspective there are many times when I feel that I'm crawling along. Even worse is during take off from a dead stop. This is where most drivers really use up quite a bit of fuel, get agitated..  ... if I'm not sprinting off with them, and freely use their horns instead of passing me, despite the fact that I'm in the slow lane, and there is a fast lane open for them to use. Using this instrument and running on the freeway, I get 33 mpg at 60 mph in my wifes 2006 Avalon. While driving the same freeway route, and monitoring the readout in my 2008 Yaris Hatchback Automatic, I get 44 mpg at 60 mph. Not bad for those two vehicles..... 
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Replying to: yi5hedr3 (Jan 18, 2008 5:31 pm) Some people have the "Ability" to achieve really good mileage, and others do not! Those that do not, seem to enjoy faulting those that do. Goes back to the old saying, "Misery Loves Company". Main drag going through our small town is 4-6 lanes. There is a traffic light about every 1/4 mile. A couple of weeks ago, I had the displeasure of watching a "teeny bopper" running the crap out of his Corolla or Civic. . The light would change and away he would go. He was locking down his brakes before the rest of the traffic was half way to the light he was stopping at. By the time we got there, the light had turned green and we didn't need to stop. I expect he complains about his mileage also. But he was "COOL" ! Hat was on backwards, stereo was loud, and he probably thought he was actually impressing someone.  Kip |
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OK...so we have the two extremes identified. (This is how my wife argues too.) There are hyper milers and the kid with the Corolla. What about the normal guy? The guy who needs to get to work on time, and does not want to spend an hour saving a gallon of gas? This guy needs to stop listening to those who claim that they will get better than sticker mpg.
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Replying to: psulions (May 16, 2008 8:03 am) Great point! That is the "ability" thing, we don't all have. Many don't even have the ability to drive an "economy car". They feel they must have the fastest or the biggest thing on the road. Those that do get the slower more economical car simply don't have the ability or the will to take advantage of that car's potential. We all have the opportunity to save gas. We don't all have the ability to learn how to not tail gate, not wait until the last minute to use the brakes. We can't master how to time traffic lights, and go easy on the throttle from stops. All these things burn extra fuel, are harder on brakes and tires, and won't add or subtract much time for the commute. For me personally it doesn't make good sense to drive a tiny low powered car and achieve the same mileage as a larger faster one. Therefore I try to get the best mileage possible from whatever I'm driving. Keeping traffic conditions in mind. Consider the guy with the Corolla. He left those traffic lights the same time as the rest of us and he had to stop at every one. The rest of the cars moved through them without stopping and burning the extra fuel. Corolla boy was doing 3 no-no as far as fuel economy is concerned. 1. Accelerated hard from the light. 2. Had to get moving from a stopped condition, which is hard on fuel. 3. Accelerated way longer than necessary , then having to brake hard. Occasionally there is a car that simply will not get the mileage it should. Occasionally there are cars that get better than "average". But for all cars, the driver has the opportunity to extract that car's potential. . The person that pays attention to those things will get the mileage, save the money, and get there just as soon in the normal commute. On a 30 mile commute of Pure Highway, the person driving 75MPH will get there in 24 minutes. The one driving 65 will take 3.7 minutes longer. The guy getting 35 mpg is getting 20% better mileage than the one getting 29 mpg.. In effect, in todays world he is paying say $3. 79 for the gas to go that 35 miles. The 29 mpg driver will pay $3.79 + 20% or $4.54. Which is better? Many will make an extra fuel stop or drive an extra distance to save 3 cents per gallon. I will definitely apply some fuel saving techniques to save $.75 per gallon. In a traffic commute, it didn't take any more time. On a highway commute I spent 3.7 minutes extra. I get 20% better mileage than my wife driving the same car in same conditions. She feels the need to challenge every traffic light, curve and stop sign. I don't. The car I normally drive is a Pilot. She normally drives a CR-V. At 30K the tires on the Pilot are at about 40% remaining. We just spent $500+ replacing the tires on her CR-V. At 32K miles. The old ones were shot. Not only is she spending $4.54 for fuel we can add the price of a new set of tires and upcoming brake replacement. Different strokes. ! Kip
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Replying to: psulions (May 16, 2008 8:03 am) There are hyper milers and the kid with the Corolla. What about the normal guy? The guy who needs to get to work on time, and does not want to spend an hour saving a gallon of gas? This guy needs to stop listening to those who claim that they will get better than sticker mpg." I would argue the average guy is exactly who should be listening. There are far more of them than the other two groups you mention. Small incremental changes in driving habits add up and can make a difference in overall fuel mileage in your current vehicle, no matter what it is. On a side note, my 15 mile commute takes an additional 3 minutes driving 60mph on the highway section vs. the 80-85mph that I used to do. A nice Yaris 5 speed is starting to sound nice.
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Replying to: jsmith1975 (May 19, 2008 9:53 am) On a side note, my 15 mile commute takes an additional 3 minutes driving 60mph on the highway section vs. the 80-85mph that I used to do. A nice Yaris 5 speed is starting to sound nice. Very nice post.... Right On! Let me share from experience that I too, had a talk with myself and began driving 60 to 65mph in my new Yaris 2dr hatch and I'm not only enjoying the increased savings in fuel, but find I arrive at my destination feeling more calm. In addition, one other "rule" I decided to obey was to decide to do less lane changing. Thereby reducing the possibility of an accident. This too has brought a completely different experience once I allowed a couple of weeks to adapt to it. Now, I'm here to say that your "a nice Yaris 5 speed" comment is right on target. I am enjoying mine more everyday, as I pass the very gas station that I used to stop at weekly. Even more humorous, and satisfying was the comment by the owner the last time I filled the Yaris.....My I haven't seen you in awhile? To which I bit my lip until I drove out onto the street and began to laugh in satisfaction and sheer contentment. This is the best investment I've made in a long time.....
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Replying to: psulions (May 16, 2008 8:03 am) Actually it's easy to exceed the fuel economy numbers printed on the new car price sticker. It's all in how you drive and where. It's important to remember that the EPA fuel economy numbers are the result of testing in a lab. Not driving the car in real world conditions. Thus vehicle aerodynamics are left out of the equation. When actually _driving the car_ the shape and coefficient of drag play a major role. Then we have the styling and overall "looks" of a car are which are quite deceiving. A perfect example of this is my 2008 Yaris 2 door hatchback. Most people will agree that the big bulbous front end, results in a lot of drag. You'd be wrong, by a wide margin. Most people looking at a low, sleek tapered nose, like on the front of my very aerodynamic Mercedes AMG SL 65 Roadster would result in a lot less drag than the Yaris. They'd be wrong. Here are the true numbers (lower is better) .28 CD for 2008 Yaris 2dr Hatchback (all for the low low price of $14,800) .30 CD for 2008 MBZ SL 65 AMG (all for the not so low price of $192,000) Now, obviously I did not buy the Mercedes for it's fuel economy, I'm simply using it as an example of how well Toyota has a handle on the aerodynamics of it's cars. Thus providing every opportunity for the owners to obtain some very good results in the mileage department.....
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