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Replying to: violin (Jun 22, 2006 6:26 am)
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Replying to: asa805 (Jun 22, 2006 6:42 am) I live in CT and all stations switched from MTBE to 10% ethanol some time ago. Gas mileage shouldn't suffer any more than 5% -- still 1.5 to 2 mpg with an economy car. No discounts due to the complexity of blending ethanol into the gas -- it can't be piped -- must be blended at each terminal.
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I have a Honda Fit and get great mileage, but my state (NC) is not yet using ethanol. Others who live in ethanol blend states appear to be getting 20% worse fuel economy with the same model. The dirty little secret is that ethanol is actually MORE polluting, costs more to the consumer, takes government subsidies (which adds to our cost), and give poorer fuel economy. I also don't like the idea that ethanol is produced using precious farmland, water, fertilizer, etc. There is something terribly wrong with the whole idea.
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Replying to: jrlnc (Jun 09, 2006 10:55 am)
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Replying to: jrlnc (Jun 22, 2006 6:48 pm)
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Replying to: reddroverr (Jun 23, 2006 8:15 pm) I am not thrilled with ethanol. In Brazil, it means converting rainforest to monoculture sugar cane production. Worldwide it means using food for transportation, much of it unnecessary transportation. Also, ethanol probably costs more energy to produce than it gives off. It's made relatively inexpensive due to massive farm subsidies that politicians are addicted to. Get a small car, drive less and carpool. Get an electric bike. Mine averages 23 mph with moderate pedalling and gets about 2000 mpg. True cost to operate is 3 cents a mile vs. about 45 cents a mile for Yaris. I substitute 3000 miles a year of car travel with my LAFree Sport. The LAFree Lite is very good too. In reporting mpg it's a good idea to fill the tank first oneself, recording the odometer reading, then refilling the tank, noting the gallons used and the miles covered. Several tanksful using this method will give a very accurate report, especially when driving conditions are noted: city/hwy, a/c use, driving style, etc. Bob
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Replying to: bob104 (Jun 24, 2006 9:15 am) Most of the analysis I've seen says that it takes less energy to make ethanol than it uses. Estimates vary quite a bit, though. Bicycles are great if you don't mind taking your life in your hands. In Portland Oregon, realistically, I am not going to be using one outside of summer. Too much rain and cold for me. My biggest hope involves the plug in hybrid, which rumor has it toyota will manufacture a prius with this feature in 2008-9. There are also add-on firms modifying cars to be plug in. We are also supposed to start seeing clean diesel cars in the next couple years as well. At any rate, we have a 56 cent tax on ethanol imports, which seems rather dumb. Better to sent the money to the middle east?
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Replying to: jrlnc (Jun 09, 2006 10:55 am) |
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Replying to: reddroverr (Jun 24, 2006 2:35 pm) There's a great article in a recent Popular Mechanics about 10 energy solutions. One of them is the plug-in hybrid. The bit of technology that helps make this work is the lithium battery. It has about 3 times the capacity of lead-acid and about 50% more than the current standard, nickel metal dihydride. But the efficiency isn't much better overall than gasoline. The advantage is that you can "fill er up" with domestic electricity derived of wind, hydro, solar or, er, nuke. All of them have their own problems and costs. The only free ride is in the empty seats in American cars. That's why I like my 2000 mpg electic-bike. In the future cars that can tow a trailer will not be used to pick up a quart of milk. Vehicles will be tuned to driving needs: ebikes for commuting (2000 mpg-equivalent), small 30-mph electric cars for neighborhood travel (150 mpg-equivalent), efficiently powered conventional and diesel subcompacts (50-60 mpg). Clean diesels do seem to be coming down the pike, lead by Europe's need to clean up their smog. Not sure they'll ever get clean enough for California. I believe the VW Lupo gets up to 80 mpg. NEWS FLASH: The current issue of Popular Mechanics rated four subcompacts on their loop track as follows: Yaris, 37; Honda Fit, 35.8; Nissan Versa, 27.8; Kia Rio, 30.3. Sorry, I'm just reporting here: They preferred the Fit overall. |
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