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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [bottgers]
by bobw3
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Dec 18, 2007 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Dec 18, 2007 5:33 am)
...I was preaching the wrong message to a Fit chior.
Nobody said that the Civic is a bad car, but some folks just wanted the more practical Fit, so that's what they bought.
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [bottgers]
by jacksan1
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Dec 18, 2007 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Dec 18, 2007 5:33 am)
...I was preaching the wrong message to a Fit chior.
Preaching you were.
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- #182 of 237
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [backy]
by bottgers
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Dec 18, 2007 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 18, 2007 6:44 am)
The comparison might be a bit more interesting for me once Honda bumps up the power on the Fit, but then again, what's that gonna do to the Fit's fuel economy? It already gets less than Civic. What's my idea of a level comparsion between the Fit and Civic? How about a Fit with equal power and better fuel economy?
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [bottgers]
by backy
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Dec 18, 2007 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Dec 18, 2007 10:19 am)
To me, power isn't an end-all, as long as the car performs adequately. The current Fit has plenty of power for me, so I expect the new Fit will be just fine there. As for fuel economy, let's wait and see how the new Fit does before knocking it in that area. The current Fit gets better FE than the Civic, according to the EPA ratings.
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [backy]
by bottgers
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Dec 18, 2007 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 18, 2007 10:59 am)
I'm not seeing that. Most of what I've seen from owners reporting FE for the two has the Civic doing a little better than the Fit.
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [bottgers]
by backy
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Dec 18, 2007 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Dec 18, 2007 11:49 am)
Here's another data point for you then: when CR tested both cars on the same course, which mimics real-world driving in the city and highway, the Fit AT averaged 32 mpg (34 for MT) and the Civic EX averaged 28 mpg (hybrid did 37). Since we'll be hard pressed to find someone who has measured FE on the same real-world course with both cars, I think these numbers (which follow the EPA ratings in that the Fit is a little better than the Civic) are useful.
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- #186 of 237
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [backy]
by bottgers
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Dec 18, 2007 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 18, 2007 12:04 pm)
28 sounds way off (low) for the Civic.
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [bottgers]
by backy
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Dec 18, 2007 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Dec 18, 2007 1:27 pm)
Not when you consider it's a real-world test that includes some tough city driving (CR is located near NYC). I'm sure others will get better FE on the Civic--just as others will get better FE with the Fit. The key thing about these numbers is that they are from the same course, and the fuel consumption is measured precisely, using the same technique for both cars, so there is some consistency for comparison. Otherwise it gets down to an endless discussion of e.g. "My sister got XX mpg in the Civic" and "My neighbor got XX mpg in the Fit", with no basis for comparison.
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Re: I guess I didn't realize.... [bottgers]
by jacksan1
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Dec 18, 2007 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Dec 18, 2007 1:27 pm)
Controlled environment comparisons = apples to apples
Internet anecdote comparisons = apples to oranges
It is up to you to decide, of course, which one you want to believe.
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Re: Comparison [dromedarius]
by kipk
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Dec 18, 2007 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 17, 2007 2:36 pm)
dromedarius,
My wife drives her CR-V daily and is seriously in love with it. I do a lot of running around locally. That task falls to the Pilot.
For my daily uses, the Pilot is somewhat big and not as much fun to drive as the CR-V.. My wife is not interested in trading with me. However for trips, Pilot is definitely the car of choice for us. Sometimes there is a boat in tow. Don't intend to get rid of it any time soon. Would just like to keep the door dings, shopping cart scratches, and miles off of it. Use it for the ROAD, towing and so forth car.
Something small and "Zippy" that gets good mileage seems like a good idea for my local driving.
And I agree, the purchase price, insurance and so forth make a small 3rd car seem foolish. Here is the kicker. There is not much price difference in keeping the Pilot and Buying a small runabout or Trading the Pilot for something that would do it's job.... and still be too big. 
Thanks,
Kip
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