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Replying to: kipk (Oct 07, 2006 5:04 am) The difference with the Big 3's situation is that, while we the union members were willing to fight hard for what we felt we deserved, we were also willing to help out the management to the best of our abilities. Everyone knew that sabotaging the company would not do anyone any good. Of course, it did help that none of the executives, from the CEO down, earned 500 times the wages that the rank and file was earning, as with American executives. |
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The workers in Japan don't get greedy. Also, they are guaranteed employment as long as they want - of course, while they do a good job that is. So the need for unions to protect the workers from losing their jobs isn't something they do. If you are a slacker, the union itself will kick you out. Also, the unions don't turn into de-facto PACs. In the U.S., unions aren't unions anymore but corporate entities of themselves. If membership in the union isn't optional for the workers and they make decisions without your input(other than whether to strike or not), it fails the basic litmus test of being a union. Lastly, salaries in Japan for the managers and owners are usually 5-20x the average person's salary. Not too far out of line. So GM - of course it can't survive. The unions got greedy and killed the goose. Maybe they get a yellow painted piece of tin instead of a golden egg. Their own fault.
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Replying to: plekto (Oct 07, 2006 12:29 pm) This was the case up until early 1990s. However, the days of lifetime employment are long gone in Japan. No one, except for civil servants, has such guarantee any more. |
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While I appreciate this topic, we should probably return to posts more focused on the Honda Fit vs. Honda Civic. Thanks for the cooperation! |
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Replying to: ephemere1 (Apr 27, 2006 7:41 am)  I bought it in Topeka, KS (where my wife is currently activated on Title 10 orders) and immediately drove it home to St. Louis, the car now has 500 miles on it. I love it, I love driving a manual again. I had bought the Civic for my wife...long story, but she didn't like driving it so it became my car, but then I lost my SUV to my wife. I couldn't put anything in the Civic, yeah it gets a little better mileage and has some extra creature comfort features but it isn't as practical as the Fit. I now have a vehicle with some utilitarian features. I am so happy - Great little car!
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| After reading thru forums it seems like Fit is having some issues with highway ride in terms of engine power, whereas Civic offers more refined drive compared to Fit. On plus side Fit offers more storage space compared to Civic. So what is feel of people on this forum ? I already own Honda Odyssey so space should not be a primary concern for me. The main thing for me is go around town and once in a while with 5 people on highway. What do you think better serves my need ? Also what is mpg difference between Fit and Civic in real world ? It seems like Fit is having issues with getting listed miles, is same case with Civic too ? Also 09 Fit seems to be coming out some time next year, should I wait for it of go with 08 Fit ? | |
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Replying to: mjoshi (Dec 16, 2007 6:55 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Dec 16, 2007 8:51 am)
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Replying to: mjoshi (Dec 16, 2007 10:34 am) We've been on my long weekend trips and with the Fit's 21CuFt of cargo space behind the 2nd row, we've been able to take the Fit instead of the Freestyle filling the back with a big cooler, suitcases, stroller, folding crib, etc. If I bought the Civic, we would have had to take the Freestyle instead, because the Civic would not have held everything the Fit can hold. Plus I like the high ceiling and open feeling of the Fit. The Civic seemed too cramped for me. And from the front seat, it's easy to reach back to take care of the little ones. As far as MPG, you'll get slightly better with the Civic, but then if you need to use your big car more often because you have the Civic, then overall you're really worse off MPG...at least that's how I figured it. But if you'll just use the small car for people, then the 4dr Civic, being wider and longer, will give you more 2nd row passenger space, especially for 5. Did you consider just getting a Mazda3 with an automatic? It's another really good car and probably more fun to drive than the Civic, although the MPG is worse. Personally if I wanted a small 4dr sedan, I'd get a Corolla. They just seem more comfortable inside to me. There's the Mazda3 5-door and Matrix, but I didn't like the driving position of the Matrix, and the Mazda3 5-door seemed small inside as compared to the Fit, even though the Fit is much smaller on the outside, probably due to the added height of the Fit. |
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So far I've test driven the Civic, Fit, Corolla, and Yaris. The Corolla is out completely because the driver's seat won't go back far enough for me to get comfortable. Between the Fit and Yaris, I preferred the Yaris as it feels more powerful. But of these four cars, the Civic is far and away the better vehicle. It's much more powerful, more comfortable, quieter, and way more refined than either the Yaris or Fit. With the Yaris and Fit, you never forget your driving an economy car. The Civic is just the opposite. It feels and drives more like a luxury car than an economy car. For me, this comparison is a no brainer.
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