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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Oct 04, 2006 7:00 am) 
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Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 04, 2006 9:41 am) Edmunds Yaris LB Photo That is a manual liftback and no tachometer. It is also not included even with the power package.
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Oct 04, 2006 4:21 am) The smallest (and actually only) production diesel created by Honda is 2.2L and is used in the Civic, Accord, CR-V, and FR-V in Europe...not in the Jazz. While, I don't doubt that Honda might have a smaller diesel in development for the Jazz and City (all the competitors have diesel options), it will be a while before it finds its way to the US. Honda's new super clean diesel looks promising for the US, but that will probably be used for a US-market diesel CR-V. |
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Replying to: bamacar (Oct 04, 2006 10:15 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 04, 2006 2:33 pm) Anyway, once again this choice by Toyota makes no sense. At least on the Fit and Civic, the tach is not an issue. |
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Oct 04, 2006 7:48 am) Gotta agree!! High wages and bennefits are part of the problem with U.S. car MFG.. Add to that, top heavy management, and the formula for failure is there. On the other hand my youngest son has been with Yamaha for about 10 years. Started on the assembly line, and now he has a long title and much responsibility. His hourly wage is not even close to that of an equal job with the Big 3.  To be competitive, there has to be a cost point. If too much is paid out in salaries, quality of parts and materials must take up the slack. The Big 3 can't seem to cope any longer, yet foreign auto makers, build plants here and thrive.  Kip |
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Cars are commodities these days. He's no different than someone working in an appliance or TV assembly line, to be honest. He probably needs to move to a different job that still utilizes hand-built techniques and knowhow.
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Replying to: bsmithcreek (Oct 03, 2006 3:09 pm) |
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Replying to: plekto (Oct 05, 2006 7:08 am) My point is that they pay according to what the job is worth to them. The big 3 pay according to what the union has managed to bully them into. (Also excessive management tiers) Their labor cost is much higher than the Asian counterparts. To have compedetive MSRPs the big 3 have to reduce cost somewhere. This leaves the areas of parts and materials. Their cars give more trouble. Customers go away! Plants close from lack of sales. That WELL PAID worker is now out of a job. He looks for another job with his skill level. Assembly line! Those that are hiring don't pay what he is used to receiving. Union mentality is good in some areas like working conditions and such, but they need to realize that they can and are pricing themselves right out of the job market. Kip
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