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Re: Where, and how much mileage? [dkdriver]
by gls69
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Jan 14, 2007 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: dkdriver (Jan 13, 2007 8:13 pm)
R.A.B. Motors is located in San Rafael, CA, not too far from you. I found it on the internet under The Mercedes Benz Store.
My car had 35 miles on it when I purchased. They delivered it to Sacramento and did all the paperwork at my home. The rules of the forum are that I can't give the name of the salesperson, but ask who did my deal. She did a thorough job and made it convenient for me. Since their prices were the lowest I found after considerable research I wasn't able to "haggle" much after the initial internet quote.
Good luck dkdriver.
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Thanks!! And what type of mileage are you getting?
by dkdriver
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Jan 15, 2007 (7:05 pm)
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Thanks for the dealer tip, gls69. I wanted to get the 6cyl turbo diesel, but given the restriction of a minimum of 7500 miles driven pre purchase, I am now looking at the V8. Do you or any one else get 'good' mileage on the V8? The stats on the turbo diesel are supposed to be 20-25 mpg. Thanks again!! 
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Re: Got it for $1400 below invoice. Is that good? [glfan]
by bmwmatt
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Jan 23, 2007 (3:19 am)
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Replying to: glfan (Jan 05, 2007 10:15 am)
How is it not good to get an item below cost?? Also, the 600 advertising charge is charged TO THE CAR. If they didn't have that charge, than you would be paying over invoice for the car, if you can't understand how that works, I realize that. Part of the cost of the dealer buying that car is the ad charge, how is that nonsense??? You think the cost of business doesn't exist?
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Re: Good deal??? [abscam]
by bmwmatt
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Jan 23, 2007 (3:28 am)
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Replying to: abscam (Dec 29, 2006 11:26 am)
It's not JUST a fee THEY tack on. It is from the MANUFACTURER, on the invoice. The dealer actually PAYS this to the factory as part of the VIN # you are buying. It is not reflected on the MSRP because the dealer is EATING that cost, NOT charging it to the consumer. If it is NOT on the MSRP how are you paying for it? You guys are looking at the numbers from the invoice, not the MSRP. Think about it. The DEALER PAYS THE FACTORY PER CAR, so it HAS TO LEGALLY BE ON THE INVOICE. IT IS NOT ON THE MSRP, so you are NOT PAYING FOR IT!!
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bmwmatt
by carpersn
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Jan 23, 2007 (9:11 am)
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well, matt, if you actually go onto the BYO section of the MBUSA website, you'll notice that MSRP DOES include the $775 transport charge, and you cannot even price the car without including that fee.
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Re: Got it for $1400 below invoice. Is that good? [bmwmatt]
by gls69
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Jan 25, 2007 (12:26 am)
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Replying to: bmwmatt (Jan 23, 2007 3:19 am)
Perhaps there would not be this much confusion if most dealers did not manipulate, high pressure, lie, default on promises, and resort to every other underhanded tactic in an effort to take advantage of a buyer rather than educating the buyer as to what the true cost of business is. The buyer has to use this forum and a myriad of other research tools in a desperate quest to determine what a fair deal looks like. The lack of trust that most dealers have unintentionally cultivated prompts the buyer to prepare for war instead of a mutually beneficial business negotiation. In my case the dealer I finally chose made a reasonable profit, and I do not begrudge them that. However, I had to waste my time eliminating several dealers that preferred to misrepresent or omit the truth on a multitude of issues, including the "advertising charge". To answer your question more succinctly: Obviously a factual cost of business does exist that the dealer tries to keep from the customer. These methods prompt a more important query: "What is the cost of business if business does not exist?"
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Invoice Price for Base GL320 CGI
by mercara
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Jan 25, 2007 (6:21 am)
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Can anyone give me the invoice price for a base GL320 CDI? I plan to make an offer to a couple of dealers in the next few weeks.
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Re: bmwmatt [carpersn]
by bmwmatt
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Feb 03, 2007 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: carpersn (Jan 23, 2007 9:11 am)
The transport charge (DELIVERY AND DESTINATION) is included. But the Advertising and other Training Service Fee is NOT on the MSRP.
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Re: Got it for $1400 below invoice. Is that good? [gls69]
by bmwmatt
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Feb 03, 2007 (3:31 pm)
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Replying to: gls69 (Jan 25, 2007 12:26 am)
The real problem is that the factory pays holdback. This allows the dealer to decide, do i give away all the profit and take only the holdback? This is usually a YES if the dealer is a large enterprise (autonation, sonic, etc..) but for the little guy down the road, he cannot survive on only holdback. The sales and service staff don't get paid on holdback. Only the owner. So should sales and service work for free? no. So now you have a huge discrepancy between dealers, on brands that pay a huge holdback, Mercedes Benz being one of them. BMW/Porsche/Lexus, are typically much closer in price. You can go two two different MBZ dealers and have a difference of 5-6k on an E350.
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Re: Got it for $1400 below invoice. Is that good? [bmwmatt]
by gls69
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Feb 10, 2007 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: bmwmatt (Feb 03, 2007 3:31 pm)
I see you had no rebuttal for my points on dealer deception which IS the REAL problem. However, I agree with you on the specifics of "holdback". So why would any but the most uniformed consumer go to a dealer and pay "5-6K" more?
PS Please spare me the colonic smoke of trying to justify it based upon "service".
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