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What is this discussion about? Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Sedan

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#91 of 432 Re: Fusion critique from an Accord owner [elroy5] by thegraduate

Aug 30, 2006 (2:35 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 30, 2006 2:31 pm)
The 92 Accord 4cyl. had a distributor, and no V-tech. In the 03 Accord 4cyl. the engine is all electronic (even the throttle is drive by wire).
 
The 140 hp Accord of 1992 did have VTEC, and Drive-by-Wire Throttle didn't come to Accords until the 2006 model year. Just a few minor corrections.
 
A brief synopsis of VTEC engine application to Honda Accord Inline-4s:
 
From 1991-1997, the top-of-the-line 4-cylinder Accord got VTEC (EX and SE traded spots as top-models from 1991-1993, though both models received the VTEC - 140 hp '91-'93; 145 hp '94-'97) and the DX and LX models made do without Variable Valve Timing (125-130 hp).
 
In 1998-2002 models, all 4-cylinder engines except for DX and Value Package Accords got the 150 hp VTEC engine, while the DX/VP Accords got a 135 hp version of the engine, without VTEC.
 
2003 was the first year that all models, DX included, got a VTEC engine (i-VTEC by then), with 160 hp.
 
Accord V6 models since 1998- have had VTEC.
 
Hope this little history helps.

#92 of 432 Re: Exactly! [deepdivot2] by pwas

Aug 30, 2006 (2:52 pm)

Replying to: deepdivot2 (Aug 26, 2006 5:25 am)
Im thinking about trading our 06 Honda accord 4cyl exl for a Mercury Milan v6 fully loaded. I can save almost $200 per month with the 0% for 72 months with mercury. I have 11% with honda finance. Plus im getting a V6 with the milan. Please give me some feed back.

#93 of 432 Re: Exactly! [pwas] by thegraduate

Aug 30, 2006 (2:54 pm)

Replying to: pwas (Aug 30, 2006 2:52 pm)
have 11% with honda finance.
 
11%!! WOW, that's incredibly high.

#94 of 432 Re: Fusion critique from an Accord owner [thegraduate] by elroy5

Aug 30, 2006 (3:28 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 30, 2006 2:35 pm)
The 140 hp Accord of 1992 did have VTEC, and Drive-by-Wire Throttle didn't come to Accords until the 2006 model year. Just a few minor corrections.
  
Wrong, sorry but I had the "Top of the line" 92 EX Accord (there was no SE in 92) and there was no VTEC engine available in any Honda in 92 (maybe Prelude, but I doubt it). My 03 Accord has "Drive by wire" (it is also the "Top of the line" for 03 model year). I should know, I owned both cars.
 
If you see a 4th gen Accord with a VTEC engine in it, it was swapped in. (Very common practice).

#96 of 432 Re: Exactly! [venus537] by deepdivot2

Aug 30, 2006 (4:55 pm)

Replying to: venus537 (Aug 26, 2006 10:21 pm)
Since CR only collects data from their subscribers, it is unscientific. But the most unscientific?
  
You're right, there are worse. Look at any political survey. But the effect their survey has is more than most others, which seems to demand they try to improve their methods. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be so inclined.
  
The demographics of CR subscribers as a group is not that much different than the driving population as a whole.
  
There are those that disagree with this assessment, especially when considering the very small percentage of those subscribers (6% or so) that respond to the CR survey questions, many of them more than willing to agree with CRs opinions. CR has always had some credibility problems, but IMHO, it reached a head in 1967 when Ralph Nader joined their board of directors, only 2 years after penning "Unsafe at Any Speed". Talk about the fox guarding the hen house! I don't think they've recovered since.
  
I apologize to the HOST for discussing this so much in this forum, so I won't say anything else. You're welcome to have the last word if you choose!

#97 of 432 Re: Fusion critique from an Accord owner [elroy5] by thegraduate

Aug 30, 2006 (8:23 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 30, 2006 3:28 pm)
Going by my father's 2005 Accord EX, it is definitely not drive-by-wire... there is now a little play in the throttle pedal. Not-electronic. You are referring to a V6, I presume?
 
We have had a 90 LX, 92EX, 93EX, 96LX, 00LX, 01LX, 03EX, 05EX, and 06EX Accords (all sedans, I-4, Autos)in the last 16 years, so I'm pretty well acquainted with them myself. (I also drive two nearly everyday (at least one daily)). I don't know what apparently got into me today; I guess too much stress from school getting to me, b/c I RARELY post info without double-checking my facts. Of course, the day I choose to, I'm wrong! So it goes...
 
As I checked for myself to respond to your claim about no VTEC, I am sorry for my false claim. I honestly believed the 140 hp models had VTEC (which is a logical thing to assume i guess, since it had the same size power bump (125-140 hp) as the 94 model (130-145) which DID have VTEC. I stand corrected. VTEC, according to Edmunds.com, debuted on 1994 Accord EX models, with its 2.2L 145 engine.
 
Once again, sorry I doubted your info, and I'm quite surprised at myself for doing so without checking my own facts. Forgive me?
 
best,
 
thegrad

#98 of 432 Re: Exactly! [pwas] by scape2

Aug 30, 2006 (8:44 pm)

Replying to: pwas (Aug 30, 2006 2:52 pm)
"Im thinking about trading our 06 Honda accord 4cyl exl for a Mercury Milan v6 fully loaded. I can save almost $200 per month with the 0% for 72 months with mercury. I have 11% with honda finance. Plus im getting a V6 with the milan. Please give me some feed back.
Replies to this message:"
 
You have hit it right on the money where Honda has fallen flat on its face.. VALUE for your hard earned dollar. Go get the Milan premium with the v6 its a great car for your hard earned dollar..If you get black leather, I recommend you get your windows tinted.. they get hot!..

#99 of 432 Re: Exactly! [scape2] by thegraduate

Aug 30, 2006 (9:03 pm)

Replying to: scape2 (Aug 30, 2006 8:44 pm)
Shoot, at 11%, I'd be unloading that car and shopping for a lower rate. I can't believe ANY car maker would use a rate that high!... Do you (pwas) have decent credit (that's kinda personal, so I understand if you choose not to respond, but that rate is AWFUL!)

#100 of 432 Re: Exactly! [pwas] by elroy5

Aug 31, 2006 (3:23 am)

Replying to: pwas (Aug 30, 2006 2:52 pm)
Im thinking about trading our 06 Honda accord 4cyl exl for a Mercury Milan v6 fully loaded. I can save almost $200 per month with the 0% for 72 months with mercury. I have 11% with honda finance. Plus im getting a V6 with the milan. Please give me some feed back
 
Consider this. You may be saving $200 per month, but paying an extra 12 months. And if you drive a lot of miles each year, some of that savings will go into spending on gas, if you switch from a 4cyl. Accord to a 6cyl. Milan.

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