Last post on Jan 19, 2007 at 10:52 PM
You are in the Honda Accord
What is this discussion about?
Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Sedan
#393 of 432 Re: fusion is better [pat]
Jan 19, 2007 (11:12 am)
Again, I didn't say anyone was wrong. Someone said people who are paid to test vehicles know more than Fusion owners and I am pointing out that it its owners of both Fusions and Accords that were surveyed by CR and JDP and CR found the Fusion more reliable and JDP found the Fusion more appealing...according to owners.
There is no problem with citing unbiased research that agrees with one's opinion. Therefore, there are no notches to bring it down from.
Jan 19, 2007 (11:21 am)
Opinions are fine. We love 'em. However, once stated and those who agree/disagree have made their comments, what's the point of pursuing the argument? If you don't like one or the other, fine, but insisting others change their opinions isn't going to happen. It's all subjective, and that's that.
#395 of 432 Regarding safety
Jan 19, 2007 (11:32 am)
According to Consumer Reports, the Fusion has better 60-0 breaking distances and higher maximum avoidance maneuver speeds than the Accord. I'd rather avoid a crash in a 4-star crash tested car than crash a 5-star crash tested one...but that's just my opinion.
#396 of 432 Re: Test [stevesjc]
Jan 19, 2007 (11:33 am)
Tell that to Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, and the thousands of people they surveyed regarding the Accord and Fusion.
There's a slight problem... Fusion owners have cars that are at 1-2 years old. Accord owners stretch back many more years... we all know what happens to cars as they age, things are bound to break. Kudos to the Fusion for being relatively trouble free for new owners though - it is a new design and that is a good thing they are winning these awards. It means their satisfaction among new owners are really good.
How a Fusion ages is only a factor that time will tell us. The Accord is at the end of its current model and all the bugs have been unearthed and many resolved. Yet still more crop up like the recent airbag recall on 04-05 Accords. There isn't even an 05 Fusion, so we never know if in a year or two big problems start to appear - they might, they might not.
As for accident avoidance - VSA (electronic stability control) on the Accords have been confirmed by both the IIHS and NHTSA as invaluable in accident avoidance.
#397 of 432 Re: Test [neteng101]
Jan 19, 2007 (11:36 am)
J.D. Power surveys owners of vehicles from the exact same model year. The APEAL award was based on 2006 Accords and 2006 Fusions.
Consumer Reports is open about the Fusion's number being "predicted" reliability. However, they are predicting it based on the problems reported by owners of 2006 Accords vs. 2006 Fusions. Given their history of working with initial quality vs. reliability data and their extenseive analyses of these data, I think they are a pretty good bellweather (sp?).
As to Vehicle Stability Control systems...even with the system on the Accord, it still has slower maximum avoidance maneuver speeds than the Fusion. VSC should help the vehicle maneuver better and at higher speeds to avoid an accident. In the case of the Accord, it doesn't make up for the other ways that the Accord lags behind the Fusion in maneurverability.
#398 of 432 Re: Test [stevesjc]
Jan 19, 2007 (11:38 am)
So it is truly a measure of new owner satisfaction then. The Fusion won that, it should for such a brand new design!
It is not a useful measure then of true reliability over time.
As for "predicting" reliability, Hyundai has gotten plenty of accolades for new owner satisfaction, but it has also been reported that over time they break and the satisfaction drops dramatically. So much for "predictions".
#399 of 432 Re: Test [neteng101]
Jan 19, 2007 (11:39 am)
APEAL is, yes. It is a more appealing car than the Honda, excuses aside.
Predicted reliability is different from strong initial quality. Your Hyundai example is strong initial quality and I agree this does not always translate into long-term reliability. Consumer Reports didn't say Hyundais would have better long-term reliability than Accords, did they?
Again, paid editors vs. unbiased research...
#400 of 432 Re: Test [stevesjc]
Jan 19, 2007 (12:41 pm)
Wow - I guess you're right and all the millions of satisfied Accord owners are wrong. You can base your opinion of Fusion's long term reliability on somebody's guesstimate. I'll take Honda's excellence in reality any day over Ford's maybe.
I test drove a Fusion twice. Tried to like it. I walked away snickering about Ford's weak attempt to compete in this class. Items like poor placement of HVAC controls, 1970s style shifter, plasticy interior, no power recline on the driver's seat. All pretty sad compared to an Accord.
And the Fusion will get outdistanced again in 8 months when the new Accord arrives.
#401 of 432 Re: Test [jimmy81]
Jan 19, 2007 (12:43 pm)
Well, there's the rub. Opinions are neither right nor wrong - they always fit the person who holds them and no one else!
#402 of 432 Re: Test [jimmy81]
Jan 19, 2007 (12:57 pm)
Its not just me...its also J.D. Power and Consumer Reports (and the thousands of owners of 2006 Fusions and Accords they surveyed). Look, I'm not saying you're "wrong," I'm just saying the most respected organizations in the industry are showing that the Fusion is at least as good as an Accord. Poor placement of HVAC controls? I've had mine for 6 months with no problem at all. 1970's style shifter? I didn't see too many center console shifters in the 1970's. Also, the Fusion's shifter looks better than an Accord's and is hooked up to a 6-speed automatic, not an outdated 5-speed like the Accord. Plasticy interior? No more or less plastic than an Accord. What? Is there real wood trim in your Accord? No power recline on the seat? Like sitting back is that hard to do...
Predicted "outdistancing" means nothing compared to unbiased research...