Last post on Mar 05, 2012 at 12:09 PM
You are in the Land Rover
What is this discussion about?
Land Rover LR2, Future Vehicle, SUV
#213 of 1131 LR2 VS LAND ROVER FREELANDER "DEPENDABLE" ?
Apr 14, 2007 (5:28 am)
Last year I had my 2nd FREELANDER 2004 less than 25,000 miles start having INTAKE VALE PROBLEMS.. I don't know if it is FORD or the Dealership that has the INABILITY TO REPAIR OR BUILD A QUALITY SUV. In 2002 I had the Freelander replaced with the 2004 by the Auto Baun store in Fort Worth NOT KNOW THEY WERE TO ALSO GIVE ME THE FULL $$ AMOUNT I ALREADY PAID FOR 2 YEARS to the NEW 2004 REPLACEMENT SUV FREELANDER.. THE 2002 had Engine, Branke, electrical just to name a few problems, and that is why they replaced it with the 2004. THE HONESTY AND INTREGREDITY BY THE LAND ROVER FORT WORTH WAS DESTROYED when I TRIED TO GET THE MONEY THEY OWED ME AND STILL DO FOR THE 2002 goint toward the 2004 FREELANDER. I went traded the "DEATH TRAP 2004 FREELANDER" for a Jeep Liberty. THEY HAVE PROBLEMS.. IN THE MECHANICAL RELIABILITY OF THE FREELANDER /NEW LR2...
RECENTLY THE LR2 WAS SHOWN ON DISPLAY ON FOX 4 DALLAS AM CAR REVIEW... AND WAS GIVEN HIGH MARKS AND LOW MARKS FOR THE FOLLOWING
1. HIGH MARKS.. LOOKS LIKE THE LAND ROVER INSIDE AND OUT.
2. DRIVES QUIETLY AND HAS QUALITY INSIDES..
3. LOW MARKS.. WHEN TAKING THE LR2 THROUGH A CAR WASH, IT TOOK 30 MINUTES FOR IT TO START UP .. VERY BAD.. THIS WAS ONE OF THE BEGINNING PROBLEMS I STARTED WITH (ELECTRICAL) IN THE 2002.
I had a 318I BMW I TRADED FOR THE 2002.. I LOVE THE BMW DRIVE AND THE QUALITY AND SINCE LAND ROVER AT THAT TIME HAD A QUALITY REPUTATION I PURCHASED THE 2002 FREELANDER FOR THE DRIVE, THE ABILITY TO HOLD THE ROAD LIKE THE BMW..WHICH
THEY HAVE SUPERIOR ABILITY TO DO.. WHY CAN THEY NOT SUPPORT THE SAME QUALITY IN THE ELECTRICAL, ENGINE AND BRAKING SYSTEMS. OR DO THEY JUST BREAK TO REPLACE EXPENSIVE PARTS ON PURPOSE TO "PICK POCKET YOUR $$"
I WOULD NOT BUY ANOTHER ONE FROM THE LAND ROVER IN FORT WORTH TEXAS EVER... NOR WOULD I RECOMMEND ANYONE TO DO SO.. IN 2006 SUV REVIEWS THE LAND ROVER 75,000.00 VERSION AND THE LR3 WERE 2 OF THE TOP WORSE SUV'S IN THE MARKET BECAUSE OF THEIR MECHANICAL PROBLEMS... UNTIL FORD STOPS
CHEAPING THE LAND ROVERS QUALITY IN BUILD OUT.. THE LAND ROVER WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. OR IS IT JUST THE LAND ROVER NOW UNABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE QUALITY IT USE TO BRING TO TO THE MARKET.
TRUE STORY...I REALLY LOVED THE DRIVE OF THE FREE LANDER/NOW KNOWN AS THE LR2, AND ONLY WISHED IT HAD THE SAME QUALITY OF THE BMW DEPENDABLE ABILITY OR OTHERS SUCH AS TOYOTA, JEEP, ETC., THAT ARE RELIABLE AND DEPENDABLE.
Apr 14, 2007 (6:46 am)
Shares nothing with the Freelander. Not a single component from the Freelander made it over to the LR2 you cannot compare the two.
They aren't even made in the same Factory anymore. The LR2 is made at Jaguars Halewood plant that has won numerous quality awards over the past couple of years.
As to Ford creating quality problem at Land Rover that is just not true. Land Rover was in much, much worse shape prior to Ford's ownership. BMW started cleaning up Land Rovers problems from 1995-2000 but since they were more concerned with using Land Rovers SUV experience to help design the X5 they did not do as much as they could.
#215 of 1131 Re: ordered one yesterday [muddyy]
Apr 14, 2007 (9:16 am)
I leased...just personal preference....there are no special financing deals right now - hopefully before the one I ordered gets in but it not, oh well. As a reminder, Land Rover is owned by Ford and I was able to use my company's Ford discount (work for a large company that as this available to us).
#216 of 1131 Cost of "Wear and Tear"
Apr 14, 2007 (4:51 pm)
I understand that you work with Land Rover. I'd like to know if you had any numbers on the cost of "wear and tear", ie. brakes, tires, etc. Our dealer didn't have any info to give us as of yet.
#217 of 1131 Went for a test drive... our experience
Apr 14, 2007 (5:15 pm)
Okay, we finally had the chance to test drive the LR2 today.
WHAT WE LIKED:
I thought the push button start was pretty nifty. Not necessary, but yet another fun button to play with. I'm only 5'3" and after adjusting the seat, I found that my peripheral view was wide and expansive. My apprehension with SUVs / trucks was not being tall enough to see over the dash, but that went away with the LR2.
We test drove the one with the Tech Package, and personally I found the center dash a bit too busy with buttons. While driving, it was difficult to figure out which buttons to press for the radio / climate, but then perhaps I should be concentrating on the road instead? I'll just need to read the manual so it doesn't seem overwhelming.
The drive was smooth and quiet, both on regular streets and highway. You can't even notice the car shifting gears which was neat. We played with the Hill Descent Control, and it was essentially a slow-mo cruise control down the hill. No need to keep your foot on the brake, it goes down the hill at about 3-5MPH.
The dual moonroof was a total hit with my bf's cousin who sat in the back... she didn't feel left out.
WHAT WE DIDN'T LIKE:
Lots of buttons and gadgets on the center dash / console means minimal room for storage. There are a couple of center cup holders, and a cubby hole, but the cubby hole has no lid. Strange.
My boyfriend is 6'2", and after he adjusts his seat on the driver's side, the only person who can sit behind him is someone my size. The back seat doesn't shift back or tilt. Not a huge problem if it's just us driving around with minimal cargo. The issue appears when we try to fold the back seat down. With the driver's seat pushed all the way back, you can't fold the back seat down flat.
All in all, great vehicle features and great ride. Some issues with leg room, but forgivable for us. Just waiting on info on reliability, then we'll decide.
#218 of 1131 Re: THe LR2... [british_rover]
Apr 14, 2007 (7:15 pm)
Maybe for Jaguar it has won awards... but NOT FOR THE LR2..
I would love to believe that this HAS NO SIMILIAR COMPPONENTS....NOT BEING MADE BY LAND ROVER but by THE JAGUAR PLANT which Jaguar is known for having constant repairs as well is just as bad. FOR MY SELF.. 30,0000 paid in 4 years for a SUV THAT HAD NO TRADE IN VALUE WHAT SO EVER.. WITH A "0" interest rate financing.. IS 30,000.00
REASONS WHY I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE PURCHASING THE LR2 UNTIL THEY CAN PROVE THEY ARE QUALITY AND REPAIR THE CONSUMERS TRUST ON THE ONES WHO SPEND MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS PRIOR TRUSTING LAND ROVER WITH THEIR DECISION TO PURCHASE THEIR PRIOR JUNK.
#219 of 1131 Re: Land Rover apprehension... I'm giving myself an ulcer! [khristina]
Apr 14, 2007 (7:21 pm)
I agree. I have similar apprehension. I own a 2002Freelander which has never STOPPED running and is GREAT in snow but had several annoying issues requiring repeated visits to dealer. My last visit resulted in me using their loaner for several weeks with the understnding that I did not want the Freelander back until it was fixed. I would get the LR2 as I have driven it several times and like the product very well....but I am so reluctant to feel as if I will be exchanging a new "problem" for an old problem. yikes!!!
#220 of 1131 Re: THe LR2... [british_rover]
Apr 14, 2007 (7:46 pm)
READ THE JAGUAR FIX OR REPAIR DAILY PROBLEMS.. THIS IS THE AWARD WINNING PLANT.. ???????
Consumer News Recalls Complaint Form Scam Alerts
Rogues Gallery Good Guys Search Home Page Email Login
Small Claims Guide | Lemon Law | FAQ | Resources | Newsletters | Blogs | Video | Spanish
Automotive Education Electronics Family Finance Health Homeowners Shopping Travel
AUTOMOTIVE Dealers | Manufacturers | Service | Warranties | Lemon Laws | Recalls | Tires | Transporters | Racing
Jaguar - Multiple, Repeated Problems
• Deceleration problems
• Multiple problems
• Other vexations
Timothy of New York NY (3/1/04):
In March 2002 my wife and I leased a 2003 Jaguar X-Type. The cost was slightly higher than that advertised, once you added in the "options" which was fine. In the two years since we have had the car, it has been a non-stop nightmare. Within the first few months, we started noticing a gasoline smell in the cabin of the car, and the "gas cap ajar" light would come on. So we took the car to the dealer twice for this problem, and twice it was returned. Once they said nothing was wrong and the second time we were told it was the "gas cap sensor" which was replaced.
So one day we are getting gas at a local gas station, and a 17 year old kid comes over and said that gas was trickling from the gas tank! I took a look, and sure enough, a small but steady stream of gasoline was leaking! Of course this happened on a Sunday, so I could not reach anyone until Monday. Needless to say, the dealer was quite apologetic, and promised to fix it right away.
In the meantime, I served Jaguar (I am a lawyer) with a lemon law notice. Under NJ (where we live) law, if the dealer does not fix the car after three tries, you get your money back, and the dealer has to inform all future purchasers that the car was returned under the NJ lemon law. In the interim, I got a call from Jaguar offering us one-month's lease rebate ($417) for the "inconvenience." I accepted it, but refused to sign any waivers, just in case. So instead of crediting us the one month, we were billed, and then sent a check. I deposited the check, and once it cleared, I sent it back to them as the payment for the particular month. In the interim, the payment was late, so they billed us late fees. I refused to pay the late fees, so they have been billing us late fees on the late fees to date, although the lease payments are fully paid.
So once this was fixed, everything seemed fine, until about six months later, in early 2003. At that point, the driver's side door would not open. So when we took the car to the dealer, they fixed it. They also told us that the front rims were bent, and wanted $1,200.00 to fix them. For the record my wife drives the car 99% of the time, and is a very slow and cautious driver, to say the least. I told them forget it, but the fellow at the repairs department wrote on an invoice that they diagnosed the problem and that we declined the repair. Clearly to build a record. So about three or four months after that, the trunk stopped opening. Once again, in the car went. No mention of bent front rims this time, however.
Finally, about four weeks ago, the rear passenger side tire was flat. I called AAA to come and repair it. When the tow truck arrived, the driver told me that he would probably not be able to get the wheel off, something he encoutered a lot with Jaguars (of course). So he took the lugs off, and sure enough, the wheel would not budge. The driver told me the dealership would have to bank off the wheel, which probably was rusted on. So we called the dealership, and they sent a flat bed to come and tow the car.
My wife then went in the next day to pick up the car, and was told that the problem was a cracked rim, and that a new rim was about $400.00. Obviously we had no choice, so I had them replace the rim. I am convinced that the dealership cracked the rim when trying to remove it from the car, but this can never be proven. To make matters worse, we recently received a recall notice. Apparently the turn signal will blink inside the car, but the light outside will night. Therefore, the driver will think he or she is signalling.
Damage Resulting: None other than I can hardly wait to return this overpriced piece of garbage to the dealer and watch them try and convince me to lease another one!
Fine, but Timothy should be aware that alloy rims are delicate and likely to be damaged when slamming through New Jersey potholes. If he doesn't want to replace the rims on his next car, he should specify steel wheels. The problem of alloy rims adhering to the hub is likewise not unusual. A few taps with a sledge hammer will usually get them off. Again, this is not really a defect ... more the nature of the beast.
Sheila of Oakland CA (8/18/03):
I purchased my 1999 XJ8 in December of 2001. 3-4 months after purchase the low engine coolant lite came on -- I reported this to the Jaguar dealer. They checked and said they replaced the thermostat regulator. I drove the car 3-4 more months and the problem happened again ... this time, the hose exploded and all fluids escaped. I was stranded in Richmond for three hours.
Supposedly the problem was corrected, however, early summer 2003 the radiator hose exploded again while driving on the freeway. Jaguar, finally, tells me that this is a defect and they cannot guarantee that it won't happen again. They replaced appropriate parts and said I should be OK. Today, August 16, 2003, again, my coolant lite came on. I will be having my car towed in the morning and I am going to do everything i can think of to get this problem resolved.
Jaguar should have disclosed this problem with the car at the time of purchase. I do believe they are aware of it.
Nick of Absecon NJ (3/27/03):
Problems with ignition coils/parts. I own a 2000 Jaguar S-Type. As soon as my warranty expired I started having problems with the car misfiring. I was told that one of the ignition coils went bad. I replaced it and 2 weeks later the same problem occurred. Now I had to replace the remaining 7 ignition coils. The problem is that these parts are not available. They were ordered and Jaguar still doesn't have them. My car has been sitting in the shop since last Friday March 21.
I called Jaguar several times and sent several e-mail messages with no avail. In response I get these pre-typed e-mail messages telling me how great they are! I've been asking for a rental car since they do not have the parts in. Their answer was that once the warranty is over they do not have any type of car rental service. As of today, Thursday March 27, Jaguar still doesn't know when they will receive the parts. I
#221 of 1131 Re: THe LR2... [bg54]
Apr 14, 2007 (7:58 pm)
yes, I'm a bit confused as I've heard over the years that Jaguar means problems....do not get a sense of confidence with this spin on this connection with the jaguar assembly plant. It feels risky not confidence-building. Anyone with REAL facts on this, not spin?
#222 of 1131 LR2 TEST PRIOR TO CONSUMERS PURCHASE
Apr 14, 2007 (8:45 pm)
AFTER 30,000..00 IN 4 YEARS I PAID WITH "0" % INTEREST ... I HAD NO TRADE IN VALUE WHAT SO EVER WITH THE 2004 FREELANDER SE..
UNTIL FORD/LAND ROVER CAN REPAIR THE QUAILITY ISSUES AND REPAIR THE TRUST THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE PRIOR CONSUMERS WHO HAVE HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS AND EXPENSES TRYING TO KEEP THE SUV ON THE ROAD.. KNOWING YOU COULD NOT DARE TAKE THIS SUV ON A LONG ROAD TRIP BECAUSE IT CHANCES OF BREAKING DOWN WERE GREATER THAN MAKING IT TO IT DESTINATION.. AND IGNORING THE ONES WHO SPENT MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS ON THIS JUNK BESIDES THE SAFETY ISSUES THIS ALSO CAUSED, SHOULD KEEP THIS LR2 OFF THE MARKET UNTIL THE PRIOR CONSUMERS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS LR2 FOR AT LEAST 2 YEARS FREE OF CHARGE BY GIVING THEM TEST SUV'S TO RETURN TO FORD/LANDROVER AFTER THE 2 YEAR TESTING WAS COMPLETED AND IF PROBLEMS WERE CONSISTENT THEN THEY DO NOT BRING THIS PRODUCT TO MARKET UNTIL THEY CAN PROVE IT IS QUALITY AND WE ARE NOT THROWING MONEY INTO THEIR POCKETS AND STILL NOT HAVE A SUV OF QUALITY TO DRIVE AND FEEL FREE OF IT BREAKING DOWN INSTANTLY.
I THINK IT IS JUST ANOTHER MONEY PIT FOR CONSUMERS TO FALL INTO AT THIS POINT.