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#56 of 95 No fit hybrid.
May 19, 2006 (5:27 am)
Last sentence says:
"The report also says that Honda executives have denied that the subcompact Fit will be available as a hybrid".
No problem with me, as long as Honda fits the Fit with a small super efficient turbo diesel that gets 65+mpg. Yes honda, after almost 5 years in this thread I am still waiting for the Fit that fits my efficiency preference. Hey, I'll take a 3+3 FRV diesel too - if it gets 40+mpg.
- ex Prius Owner.
- getting 45mpg mixed driving on a 12 year old Jetta diesel.
#57 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [marcb]
May 19, 2006 (8:59 am)
Thanks for the link.
I think you're going to be waiting a very long time for that Fit Diesel, though. HCCI engines could be available by then.
#58 of 95 Re: Honda Fit Hybrid [frayadjacent]
May 19, 2006 (9:26 am)
"Honda's IMA system, IMHO, is just notthe best arrangement. In the Insight, I found that the motor just didn't assist as much as I'd like. Give it double the torque output, and it would have been very nice."
The newest IMA do have double the output, by coincidence. However, I don't know if it is used anywhere except the 2006 HCH.
The IMA advantage is that Honda could place it in any vehicle at a moment's notice, unlike the HSD, which requires more engineering. The only thing Honda has to do is find a place for the batteries and reprogram the ECU. The drive train is plug and play with the standard Honda transmission components. It is not as efficient a hybrid, but is easier to implement.
The second advantage it has over HSD is that the IMA will run without a traction battery; the HSD cannot.
#59 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [marcb]
May 19, 2006 (9:52 pm)
I am totally with you on the idea of a Fit diesel. Maybe Honda could replace the smaller L12A with a 1.4L version of the current diesel used in the Accord, FR-V, CR-V, and Civic for the next generation Jazz in Europe.
Then they could ship a few to North America?
60+ mpg on the highway would not be out of the question.
By the way, the FR-V diesel consumes 5.3L/100km in extra urban (highway) driving so that will fit your requirement of 40+mpg. Actually, combined fuel consumption is 6.3L/100km (~37 mpg), which is quite good for a 1600kg MPV!
#60 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [hungarian83]
May 22, 2006 (9:27 am)
Can't. The 2.2L won't squeeze between the suspension parts in the Fit platform.
#61 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [varmint]
May 22, 2006 (9:35 am)
Maybe that's why I said they should use a smaller version of the current engine.
Re-read my original post if you have any questions.
#62 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [hungarian83]
May 22, 2006 (9:58 am)
My bad, you're right. Of course, there are no plans for such an engine.
#63 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [varmint]
May 22, 2006 (12:56 pm)
They haven't announced anything yet, but I would be very surprised if they didn't have a smaller diesel engine undergoing R&D or testing. Just speculation though...
Sales of the Jazz in Europe are OK (and they are rising every year), but still nothing spectacular. All (or at least almost all) of the competition offers a diesel option, and Honda will need to do the same to raise the bar with the next generation Jazz.
#64 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [hungarian83]
May 22, 2006 (1:12 pm)
Well, I agree that a small diesel would be a good move for Honda in the european markets. That's not in doubt. I just don't see it happening any time soon. They just announced a series of up-coming engine projects and a small diesel wasn't on the list.
A larger V6 diesel was.
#65 of 95 Re: No fit hybrid. [varmint]
May 23, 2006 (4:13 pm)
I think that Honda buys a small diesel from some one else for the Civic EU version. They may want the V6 diesel for their minivans and SUVs sold in the USA. That will be a giant market for the first ones online.