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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 05, 2006 8:30 pm) Your attempts to extricate yourself from your errors of fact used to be amusing; now they are getting old. Also I'd really appreciate it if you'd make an attempt to read my posts. I explained before why I prefer the Accent over the Fit. I'm not going to cover that ground again here, since it's off-topic. BTW, your customer's analogy is amusing too. Most college students graduate in 4-5 years. Hyundai has had a solid record of reliability for at least that long. For instance, go look at how many below-average reliability scores the Accent has had in the past five years in CR's rankings. Zero. The record over that time since 2001 is two average, one above average, one much better than average (and not enough data for 2005). Hyundai overall, across its entire lineup, has had TWO below-average scores in the past five years. And one of those, for 2001 on the XG300, is on a car that isn't made anymore. And that is a "D average"? Not nearly. More like a solid B at worst. How many more years does Hyundai have to have solid reliability scores before some people accept it's not the Hyundai of old? For Toyota bigots (including Toyota salespeople), it will always be "a few more years", won't it? Otherwise there won't be a reason for buyers to spend a lot more on cars like the Yaris than for cars like the Accent. I do agree with you on at least one thing: the shot you and others like to repeat, "it's NOT a Hyundai," is not fair, or correct. But then, there are still people who won't buy a Japanese car because they remember the low-quality tin boxes from Japan from the '60s and early '70s, or maybe just because they remember Pearl Harbor. Not valid reasons in my opinion, but that's what you get when people have long memories. Their loss, their missed opportunity. |
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Replying to: backy (Oct 06, 2006 7:02 am) 1) When it came to value you considered the more expensive, less equipped, and less warrantied Honda Fit your "top choice". You never did DEFINE value now did you? I guess for you it all comes down to the comfiest seat (your "blocker" as you stated, for the Fit). Amusing... 2) When faced with the choice between your trusty family Hyundai or family Mazda, your own son CHOSE to go with the Mazda. No big surprise I must admit... I guess he's just a "bigot" against Hyundai too. Throwing around words like "bigot" is not only offensive but entirely untrue. Frankly I couldn't care less what you "think" you know about me, because it's coming from someone who accuses others of being biased and "bigotted" when HE/SHE himself/herself won't even admit what they do (except to claim it has nothing to do with the car industry... uh-huh, sure  ). 3) You refuse to indicate which sources you find credible. Do you find JD Power a reputable source? How about Consumer Reports? Or ALG? Between that, and your total lack of definition of "value", no proof WOULD be enough for you, so what's the point? T
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Replying to: backy (Oct 06, 2006 7:02 am) THAT is amusing, because when we try and go back a few years and LOOK, the excuse Hyundai owners give is irrelevance, and that they've improved since then. So what is it? Is a few years (five or less) too far back to judge reliability? Seems like it is to you, since even a three year old study between the two brands shows a decisive gap. The reasons I find the Yaris to be a better value than the Accent are actually 4-fold: The Yaris has better predicted reliability, even based on recent history. ALG predicts it will hold a nearly double digit advantage in residual (resale). The Yaris gets better gas-mileage (significant because this is an ECONOMY class of vehicles). And finallly, the Yaris is not a Hyundai. "Bigotted" as you may think that is, it's the same everywhere in the "real" world. It's why people buy Rolex's and Maytag's, and if you just want to completely ignore the fact that Hyundai was very recently (less than 10 years ago) the laughing stock of the industry, it's certainly your perogative. But you aren't living in reality if you don't think Toyota on name alone would win a comparo between non-owners of either product... That's why you need to give it a few years. Unless you want to start granting validity to the studies done 3-5 years ago (from the present)... but you already know how that would work out don't you? BTW, what's better? An A student or a B one??? T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 06, 2006 8:27 am)  )
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 05, 2006 8:30 pm) |
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 06, 2006 9:34 am) No one has said Toyota aren't good products, but so are Hyundais, a lot more than you give them credit for.
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 06, 2006 9:55 am) I will surely stop short of saying they have drawn equal to Toyota. Other than that, I have stated on numerous occasions that there are worse choices, and that, in fact, the Accent is a very nice car. The current Accent is not however, a better value (for most) than the Yaris for the reasons I listed before. Value is different for everyone. At least I can define it, and don't adapt it to the argument I'm having like others do. If you want to play the award game, by all means, LET'S! Tell me what source you find reputable, and I'll pull pro-Toyota findings at a significantly higher rate than I will Hyundai. You know it, I know it, backy knows it . No car manufacturer is perfect. Never said Toyota was. Historically, statistically, perception-wise, whatever... it's indicative that Toyota is FAR closer than Hyundai over the last 5 years though (let's use CR's red/black circles as indicators...). In 3 years, show me data that they've been comparable. If we look back 3 years even from today though (your own data I believe), they haven't been. My bias extends so far as to say I would have bought a FIT were there availability and not ridiculous markups above MSRP. Sacrilege!? My third choice would probably be the Versa or Accent... so biased... lol T |
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