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#39 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [backy]
Oct 04, 2006 (9:56 am)
Again, if you consider that "many" problems, Hyundai has more than the "many" problems Toyota does:
If you want to make this a discussion about which manufacturer has more awards (even recent ones), let's go... But I have a hunch you already know how it'll end up.
And didn't you say not too long ago that you drove LESS than 10k per year? I think that's only fair to describe as far less than average, even if you believe the average to be 12k today, that's a full 17% or more (less) (depending on many miles less than 10k you drive).
I also thought we settled long ago, that on comparably equipped cars, using TMV, that once you factor in AVERAGE gas use, the Yaris is in fact less expensive...
Now you want to throw in finance charges? Ok, let's look at the difference in finance charges, on a difference of $1000, over 5 years, on an avearage APR (let's say 10%). Is it more or less than $300???
And you say 5 years is the average length of the LOAN, but do you know how many are actually paid to term? I do. It's less than 50%. That means, the MAJORITY of car loans never have every payment made... hmmm... falls in line with the point people don't, on average, keep cars very long compared to you... now doesn't it?
IF you calculate in purchase price, depreciation, finance charges, and gas-mileage (no matter how much of a window you look at) the Yaris either beats, or is within a hundred dollars or so, of the Accent.
The Yaris is, for most people, a better buy $$$-wise than the Accent.
PS: With regards to my "risk" quote... I don't think that's even the slightest exaggeration, especially when you look at the reliability history of the ECHO compared to the Accent. The Accent may not be "unreliable", but it is indeed, far less reliable than the ECHO. Sorry
#40 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [tjw1308]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:10 am)
The JD Power study referred, Hyundai finished ahead of Toyota in the non-luxury nameplate. Backy's right because Yaris is not a Toyota, not Lexus.
In your point, Comparing Hyundai to Lexus, well, that should be a complement for Hyundai
#41 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [joe97]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:15 am)
Right, and that is the IQS study.
I am trying to find a good link to the "problems per 100" study, which is more applicable to the statement of Toyota having "many" problems.
#42 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [tjw1308]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:17 am)
You're looking for the VDS study. Actually both IQS and VDS are measured in terms of "problems per 100". By the way, VDS studies 3-year-old vehicles, not exactly relevant for this discussion. Let's come back in 2010 to discuss these 07 models
#43 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [joe97]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:21 am)
Cool, did not know that
Just out of curiosity, do you have a link to the current VDS? I can't seem to find one
That way, we can look at how "many" more problems Toyota has than Hyundai, when we look at a slightly wider ownership window than 90 days?
#44 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [tjw1308]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:25 am)
The VDS is a reliability study of 2003MY vehicles. Toyota 179; Hyundai 253
The reason why it's not relevant discussion is because both models are new (well, Yaris, relative), so reliability is still a moot point. Of course, everyone, including Toyota, would tell you the new Hyundai lineup are a lot better than previous models, even back track 3 years (2003)
#45 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [joe97]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:31 am)
The other reason that I expect tjw1308 will agree a 3-year period isn't relevant is because he said so earlier:
Do you know when MOST cars start having trouble? I'll give you a hint before you bring up the IQS... it isn't less than 3 years, and it certainly isn't less than 90 days lol...
So since most cars don't start having trouble within 3 years, a 3-year reliability study will be of limited value.
#46 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [joe97]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:33 am)
See, I think it is pertinent seeing as they are BOTH "new" models. All we have to go off of is history, not just a 90 day "honeymoon" (people like new and shiny things haha).
As discussed before, despite being "new" the Yaris shares a lot mechanically in common with the ECHO. So does the Accent (with the previous-gen). Look at the history of both, and it's easy to PREDICT that the Yaris will be more reliable.
The other issue is, Backy made the statement that Toyota is having "many" problems.
3 years ago is too long now? I might even give you that they've come a long way from the days of the Scoupe/Excel (12 years ago), but THREE years is too long??? Come on now
#48 of 443 Re: 2007 Hyundai Hatch and 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift [backy]
Oct 04, 2006 (10:39 am)
It's of more relevance than a 90 day study for sure!
And since you want to ring the IQS like the Liberty Bell, funny how that "honeymoon" wears off in less than 3 years now isn't it?