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You are in the Honda Fit
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Honda Fit, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Hatchback
#2412 of 2554 Re: not impressed so far [tiff_c]
Oct 04, 2009 (7:37 pm)
I have a 2008 Fit Sport. Last year when I purchased the car and it got worse mileage than my old 94 civic ex, I couldn't find info on the web. Today I heard that north of boston there is an attorney taking cases on.
I do not have a lead foot. I have had the car tested 2x by the dealer, including checking pressure. The Fit Sport has alloy wheels. I have a regional managers phone number and this week, I will be calling and following up with a letter. I get 18-22 mpg with mixed driving, but little sitting at lights. I rarely use the a.c. I hypermile on downhill grades and at longer red lights. I weigh under 150. I don't carry bricks. Something is wrong with the car and that has nothing to do with the EPA and whatever vehicles they tested. The dealer says everything in the car is computerized and it reads out fine. I was told to change my oil (did) , I was told to "wait a while as the car breaks in." Now, am I supposed to wait until the warrantee runs out? I think not. I want to know what satisfaction anyone has received from Honda. Thank you all.
#2413 of 2554 Re: not impressed so far [fitfight]
Oct 04, 2009 (8:21 pm)
I'm the one that started this thread, and when the first responses were all "sucks to be you" and "oh well" I got pissed off, as I was already at my wits end, and basically gave up on the forum. I've had the same experience on 2 other forums as well.
I've seen that since then a few people have been quite detailed and helpful and I appreciate that.
Fitfight, I'd like to know the name of that lawyer please. I will probably be in that class action lawsuit.
So far I've called Honda customer service, they opened up a case for me, and they've told me I need to get a "fuel consumption" test from my local Honda shop.
I tried twice to do this, and both times they rescheduled, or I drove all the way down there and they said they couldn't fit it in.
I haven't been able to get it tested since I work and I can't afford to rent a car right now while they have some teenager drive my car around to test the mileage.
I will probably take it to another dealer but that one is an hour away and so I'll have to take a day off work to take it there.
I'll let you guys know the results of the test, and then what Honda said to me after I call them back with the results.
#2414 of 2554 Re: not impressed so far [fitfight]
Oct 05, 2009 (3:36 am)
Yes, something is definitely wrong with your car. I drive my '09 Fit Sport in roughly comparable conditions and get very close to twice the mpg you are getting.
It could be something as simple as the fuel enrichment programming--when the engine is cold it's programmed to run rich. A faulty thermostat could be telling the ECU to dump extra fuel in all the time, which would (a) ruin your fuel economy and (b) eventually ruin your catalytic converter.
On the '09 model there's a blue light that tells you when the engine is in "cold mode"--is the same light present on the '08?
#2415 of 2554 Re: not impressed so far [fitfight]
Oct 05, 2009 (10:33 am)
I have a 08 Fit Sport automatic and am conservative driving. 90% of my trips are 10 miles at 40 mph and 15 miles at 65 mph. No stoplights or traffic; some hilly sections. Winter temps as low at -30 *F and I use winter tires (both of which make a BIG difference on mileage). I use the "S" mode and paddle shifters which puts me in control of the shift timing (prevents the transmission from up-shifting too soon which should increase mileage).
Since new I've kept track of mileage on my iphone and have a high of 34 mpg and a low of 22 mpg with an overall average of 30.5 after 12,594 miles driven.
I wish it was better and would happily give up the potential power this engine has for increased fuel economy.
Good luck with your troubles.
#2416 of 2554 Re: not impressed so far [bilbofett]
Oct 09, 2009 (6:55 am)
I'd also like to know the name of the attorney who was taking cases on the Fit.
I bought a 2009 Fit and was at first happy to have the average MPG indicator. The trip counter was reset when I drove off the dealer lot (car had 70 miles on it), and I watched as my average climbed up from the low 20s to 37 mpg. On my first tank, with 60-70% of driving on the highway in dry conditions, no weight but myself, I ended up discovering that I actually went 235 miles using 9.3 gallons of gas. So, while the computer said 37, I actually got 25.2 mpg.
Even crazier -- I reset the trip counter when refueling (I'm keeping all receipts to prove actual mileage), the average MPG indicator reset, but this time, driving *entirely* stop-and-go in the city in my work commute, within the first 20 miles, the average MPG indicator had climbed to 45 mpg. In fact, in going forward and backward to get into a parking space, I watched as it went up from 44.2 to 44.5.
Problem #1: 25 mpg is not what I paid for. Assuming typical 15000 miles per year, that's 600 gallons of fuel as opposed to 483 gallons at the advertised 31 mpg. A difference of 117 at current pricing of $2.50/gallon is an additional $292/year.
Problem #2: The computer is inflating my mileage by at least 40%. On the second tank, unless the mileage in the city has dramatically improved over the first tank on the highway, the computer is inflating the mileage by 80%. The difference between 25 mpg and the reported 45 mpg adds up to $666/year, again assuming $2.50/gallon. In reality gas prices are almost certainly going to rise much faster than inflation over the lifetime of the car, so this could mean costs in the several thousands.
The problem with problem #2 is that it is consumer fraud. At a time when fuel economy is both an economic and environmental issue globally, well, Honda could be looking at a pretty serious liability depending on how many vehicles have this problem. Under the Lemon Law, I'd have 30 days to return the car for a full refund if it was defective (I actually received the car on Oct 2, however this is a case where I'd expect the dealer to give me a bunch of crap about how actual mileage may vary, the car needs to be broken in, etc., and if as it appears this is a problem with the Fit line, there's not too much the dealer can do about it. They could offer to "fix" the computer (in theory) so that it correctly reflects the 25 mpg the vehicle is actually getting.
What's particularly bizarre is that the computer *knows* how many gallons are in the tank and how many miles I've gone. I'm calculating mpg using the miles from the same computer. Gallons could be arguably slightly off as reported by the gas pump vs. the computer, but for the math to work out, the computer would have to be misreading 9.3 gallons as reported at the pump to be 6.3 gallons.
Is anyone aware of pending or prior class action suits against Honda?
#2417 of 2554 I'd also like to know the name of the attorney who was taking cases on the
Oct 09, 2009 (7:39 am)
I'd also like to know the name of the attorney who was taking cases on the Fit.
My 2008 sport Fit has been through all the break in stuff they talked about
I have done the batter disc reset 2 times I have 18000 30miles per week day 26 of the miles highway so 87% of my driving is highway I am up from the high teens I was getting when the car was new now I am getting 27-28 on the highway the dealer has checked my car 2 times said the car is fine HUMMMMM I dont think so I hear all bout these people getting mid 40s
Well Honda must have figured the MPG with 100 cars in the 40s & 100 cars in the high teens to low 20s crazy
I first dorve this car the FIT in Brazil before they where here in 2004 loved the car & my friend in brazil Her car gets like 40mpg and she drive 50%-50% maybe 60% city
#2418 of 2554 Re: not impressed so far [jayboyd]
Oct 09, 2009 (7:43 am)
Dude, get over it!!
These readouts are just TOYS..
Get yerselfes a Scangauge, and you have a much more practical setup with calibration ability...
Suing over a gadget... Got nothing better to do?
Classaction, - you obviously don't know how worthless that is for the individual participants!!!
#2419 of 2554 Re: I'd also like to know the name of the attorney who was taking cases on the [thurst1963]
Oct 09, 2009 (7:50 am)
I don't know what you guys are doing, but the other day I saw a guy going 95+ mph in his little Prius. I am cerrtain he didn't get 50 mpg.
On the other end of the scale, I just returned from a vacation trip. My, stuffed to the gills, '99 V6 Ody wit an additional lbs300+ carrier basket got 24.5 mpg going at fwy speeds and making a total 4,000 feet climb. 300 miles from Los Angeles to Bishop. The CR-V ('05) got 28.5 mpg on the same run...
#2420 of 2554 Re: I'd also like to know the name of the attorney who was taking cases on the [cwalti]
Oct 09, 2009 (10:19 am)
I am surprised of the wide variances in reported fuel mileage between the onboard trip computer's readout, and measuring it the old fashioned way. I've always calculated fuel economy the old fashioned way - miles driven/gallons used. But, this can be hard to do these days with the need to be very careful not to overflow the evaporative emission control system, and get fuel into the carbon canister. Topping up the tank is not an easy thing these days!
Every car I've owned which had an onboard trip computer with fuel economy readout never varied more that +/- .5 MPG from the old fashioned way of calculation mileage. So, something must really be wrong with the algorithm used in the computer, or the sensors.
I know that I would be upset with 25 to 27 MPG with a Fit, as our minivan with a 3.8L V6 gets over 28 MPG on the highway consistently. Moreover, I have a friend in the UK with a Honda Jazz (the European Fit equivalent), and he gets over 40 MPG.
#2421 of 2554 just got 16 mpg on a full tank in my '08 Fit
Oct 09, 2009 (10:53 am)
I've been driving it more than a year, since august of 2008. Its beyond 7,000 miles, has been broken in, has had oil changes, etc.
I'm not driving it like a loon, and even if I was, theres no way in hell driving it like a crazy person would cut the mileage by 60%.
I've kept it under 3,000 rpms. I've stayed below 70, I've accelerated slowly and glided into stops. Did that for entire tanks of gas... didn't make a lick of difference.