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Honda Fit, Scion xB, Car Comparisons, Hatchback, Wagon
May 08, 2006 (4:19 am)
For those who obsessed with RPM.
2005 Scion xB
70mph = 2900RPM
#28 of 66 Re: I'd pass [plekto]
May 09, 2006 (12:17 pm)
My xB with manual has gotten 40 mpg on a tank when I really tried, 35 mpg in my usual driving, and 33 mpg when I drive spiritedly. But I don't stay over 65 on interstates - the resistance at 80, for instance, will put the mpg into the high 20's.
And how can you compare the xB to a Metro?
The xB has 1500 cc, 108 hp and does 0-60 in 9.6 seconds (according to Car & Driver's review of four econoboxes last January). My xB with manual transmission has good acceleration left from 60 to 80, and then keeps going more slowly up to 100.
The Metro has 1000 cc, 55 hp and does 0-60 in 12 seconds.
The xB is the most incredible car I have owned (age 63). The easy entry, legroom, headroom, smooth gearbox and clutch, free revving engine, sport car handlilng and acceleration, gas economy, and low price -- are an unbeatable combination.
May 09, 2006 (6:27 pm)
I didn't comare it to a Metro - that was reserved specifically for the Aveo. Dreadful little car. The XB is nice, actually - but it has a weak engine(power vs mpg) and not a single amenity for the rear passengers. One small cupholder as an afterthought.
And.. Not a single option on it that actually siginificantly alters the interior. Saw a ully tricked-out Xb at the dealer and it had $4K in bling - same interior and lack of features.
May 10, 2006 (2:28 pm)
If the styling of the xB was a bit less un-appealing, I might have looked at it. The Honda Element is also boxy but it does not look this odd, and truly looks nice. The xA on the other hand is something I would definitely consider, purely from a looks perspective.
As far as the Honda Fit is concerned, the Base and the "Sport" are essentially identical, except for the functionless plastic stuck all around the "Sport". Same engine, same transmission, same interior etc. "Sport" in my lexicon, should have had additional bolstering for the seats, stiffer suspension, tighter steering and possibly a boost in the power and how it is delivered....along with a 6-speed manual.
#31 of 66 Re: ... [plekto]
May 11, 2006 (11:03 am)
"... I didn't comare it to a Metro..."
What you said was: "The Xb'x engine gets terrible mileage considering its almost Geo Metro like acceleration."
"...The XB... has a weak engine(power vs mpg)..."
My xB does 0-60 in 9.6 seconds - that feels very lively to me. My xB's acceleration and ride and handling remind me of the two BMW 2002s that I put 100K miles on between 1972 and 1995. The xB also has some almost identical specs to a Minicooper: both weigh about 2400 lbs, and both have DOHC VVT engines of almost the same displacement and horsepower.
As for mileage, in lively driving, my xB gets 32 mpg. Regular driving gets 35 mpg and careful driving on suburban and country roads gets 40 mpg.
#32 of 66 Re: xB/Fit [aaykay]
May 11, 2006 (11:10 am)
"... If the styling of the xB was a bit less un-appealing, I might have looked at it. The Honda Element is also boxy but it does not look this odd..."
The Element is a lot larger, more powerful, more expensive, yet gets much worse mileage and seats one less person. And the styling of the Element, especially the curved door tops, is unappealing to me.
#33 of 66 Re: xB/Fit [aatherton]
May 11, 2006 (6:23 pm)
I love the Element....my first choice over the xB, bout couldn't swallow the price tag along with the horrible gas mileage.
If money wasn't an issue, I'd have an Element just to take camping...throw some bags of mulch in the back....take the seats out...just to take the seats out.....neat vehicle.
May 12, 2006 (7:11 am)
I've had a xB for almost 3 years, and it has the most comfortable seats (and seating position) of any vehicle that I've driven in. Not to mention that it's fun to drive with a HUGE amount of room for passengers.
If I had to make the choice today, I'd still buy the xB. The only advantage that the Fit has is side curtain airbags, but the xB has stability control, which is supposed to be a must safety feature.
As far as gas mileage, I get 26 mpg/city and about 36 freeway. My guess is that in reality, the Fit gets about the same. It all comes down to personal preference.
#35 of 66 Re: xB vs Fit [strager]
May 12, 2006 (12:11 pm)
Quote: As far as gas mileage, I get 26 mpg/city and about 36 freeway.
You must drive REALLY SLOW. My neighbor drives 75mph on the highway with her Xb and has never got much over 30mpg (auto AC)
#36 of 66 As for new xB design...
May 13, 2006 (6:12 am)
...I think the next-generation Scion xB will be based on the next-generation Corolla platform. We could have gotten the new Toyota bB that came out in Japan at the beginning of 2006 but I think Toyota wanted the new xB to be a bit roomier. If you're seen the Scion T2B concept it may hint at what the new xB will be like.