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Acura TL, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#22 of 165 Re: Acura TL vs. 2007 Toyota Camry [fsowirles]
Apr 18, 2006 (3:26 pm)
Iím not about to change your mind and I like Camry too, just for a different reason. Itís not as boring to drive as the old one but still boring. I will still try SE trim, but by looking at the numbers you posted itís no match. I had no doubt that Camry is a bit faster as it has more power and itís lighter, but look at the other stats you posted: 0.83g and 63.6 mph this is not in the same league with TL. I know .05 is a small number but itís a huge difference in a real world and even average driver will feel it; and more then 2 sec slower. Again accept acceleration, all numbers you posted are not even in Accordís territory. While typing I decided to check if Edmunds had any road test done for Camry, guess what I found? 2002 Premium Family Sedan Comparison Test, Toyota Camry SE V6, slalom 63.8MPH, which is even better then the new one. I know, the track must be different and so is the temperature, but still. The new Camry however has a much more power, and so if everything else is equal it should be faster. Does that make new Camry even softer then the old one? Iím confused.
I do agree with you that you should go by what you feel, however in order to understand each vehicle you need to spend time in each; 1 hour test drive will not do it. That is why it is useful to look at the numbers, more information you have better your decision will be.
Do not get me wrong those numbers are more then adequate for the average, family sedan, buyer; average buyer will probably not even look at those numbers. But letís be true to ourselves, when it comes to handling and road feel TL is much better.
#23 of 165 Re: huh??? [fsowirles]
Apr 18, 2006 (3:31 pm)
Well, here is the thing, consumers can cross-shop any two cars (or more) if they wanted to. Despite these two cars being cross-shopped by some, the majority of buyers would still cross-shop a Camry with Honda (Accord), Nissan (Altima), Hyundai (Sonata), and other midsize [maass-market] sedans; while the TL is mostly cross-shopped with the G35, IS, 3er, and other premium sports sedans.
Camry was never meant to compete [directly] with the TL and it should not be. The SE trim and upgraded power do not translate into a sports sedan. Camrys across trim lines are still classified as family sedan last time I checked, and still the same after test driving the 07s.
#24 of 165 Re: huh??? [joe97]
Apr 18, 2006 (3:56 pm)
I don't disagree with your premise but the interesting thing is that so many people throughout our Forums are doing just that - comparing the new Camry to the existing TL. While the two vehicles certainly do seem to be squarely in separate classes, there are many who are not seeing it that way since the '07 hit the streets.
#25 of 165 Re: huh??? [pat]
Apr 18, 2006 (4:11 pm)
Hi Pat, I think itís a good idea to compare vehicles from different classes, as many people shop at the price point and not the vehicle group.
While we at it, can you set up another discussion IS250 vs. Accord Coupe. Similar price point and size, close performance; should make a good discussion.
#26 of 165 TL exposed
Apr 18, 2006 (4:26 pm)
When you take a nicely designed/built FWD vehicle, with enough power and firmer suspension, you are standing there right next to the TL. "sports sedan" or "family sedan" are just marketing terms. This is not a knock to TL, it is a nice looking, well designed, "sports-image sedan". What it is not though is a "hard core" RWD like IS, BMW 3, G35, I think 2007 Camry SE V6 really exposes that.
#27 of 165 Re: Test Drove Both [buyer777]
Apr 18, 2006 (4:49 pm)
Guess I'm not the only one that sees this as an odd comparison. I live in a city where Ĺ the kids in my high school class (93) drove Acura Integras (I hated that car back then - way over pimped out) and Ĺ the people on my street now own Camry's as their cheap family car. Having driven several 2006 Camry's to near limits of handling (LA traffic is a zoo and requires nerves of steel) I can say it gives out way before the TL does. I was looking at getting a G35 and IS350, but the G was too loud (sounded like their was no soundproofing) and the IS is just way overpriced. I ended up "settling" for a TL (still a huge upgrade from my Contour SE which I loved). To my surprise the TL is not the big-boat I thought it would be and handles very nicely, although as mentioned is front heavy. I'm trying to avoid the urge to mod it once break in is done.
Not having driven the 2007 Camry I can't speak for it, but assuming it's in-line as a less Avalon it had no business running lanes of traffic in LA. Guess Toyota may be taking a stab at Accord with a sportier feel. One thing Camry always had going for it was a ride so smooth it was like driving a Lincoln Towncar (without the 5 foot trunk).
As far as the the AUX MP3 comment on the Camry - I was bummed when I originally found out there was no easy way to add in aux support to the TL's audio system without spending $200 plus. Then I found out you can write 2 channel audio (same quality as MP3s) onto DVDs and get around 100 songs on a DVD - so with the changer who needs an IPOD. I have about 520 songs on my TL right now - and with steering mounted controls it's better than any IPOD adapter. TL wins the audio contest hands down - unless you want to try to play audio off your Palm or something, then you still need a ľ jack somewhere.
I wonder if Bluetooth on the Treo 700 can play audio through the TL's audio system - now that would rock - no cables and can listen to medical lectures (ok, fun for me I guess).
#28 of 165 Re: TL exposed [ctl]
Apr 18, 2006 (6:57 pm)
These other cars you mention are priced a LOT MORE than a TL! Who wants 'hard core' anyway? The Camry exposes what? The TL gives you great performance, handling, 4 doors, and awesome electronics in a class leading safety cage for about $31K. And in 2008 Acura will raise the bar again with the redesign.
#29 of 165 Funny thing
Apr 18, 2006 (8:32 pm)
about that "Class leading safety cage" of the TL is that, according to the IIHS, cars like the '06 Lexus IS, '05- '06 Mitsubishi Galant, '06 Jetta and Passat, and '06 Subaru Legacy all achieve better evaluations for structrual integrity in the very demanding Side Impact test.
The TL, like most vehicles, earns an 'Acceptable' for Structure/Safety Cage, while those mentioned above, earn 'Good'.
'Class leading safety cage' seems erroneous in reference to the TL.
#30 of 165 Re: TL exposed
Apr 19, 2006 (1:56 am)
At TL w/NAV is going to MSRP at $35k. Keep the 2008 out of this as we are comparing current cars. Heck, the 200X Ford Festiva is going to run circles around all of these cars....don't believe me, exactly. Silly, huh?
Seriously, the NEW Camry in SE trim with the V6 and NAV is on paper and in feel very similar to the TL and comparably equipped for $31k MSRP. No Toyota isn't targeting the TL, no it isn't in the same class segment, but if you are looking for a sporty family sedan with reliability, tech options, and good resale for around $30k, then both of these cars should be looked at.
As for the comment of the Camry not even coming close, I implore you to withhold that comment until you have driven a SE V6. It is not a 'just below the Avalon' car as is the XLE.
#31 of 165 Re: huh??? [pg48477]
Apr 19, 2006 (3:22 am)
You can create that discussion - sounds interesting. Go to this link Comparisons and use the Add A Discussion link just above the discussion list on the right. Drop me an email if you have any trouble.