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#46 of 94 Good deal...but maybe not...
Feb 25, 2007 (6:43 pm)
Purchased a TLC two months ago for a deep discount...$10K off sticker....but now I know why...this is the vehicle that "time forgot"...my God for a $54K "luxury" SUV the thing has less and more antiquated features than my wife's Sienna van...for example you can't turn on all the interior lights at the same time...isn't this a basic feature? dependability, comfort and solid build - yes but not much more. Maybe they are just trying to unload the remaing production year or years of this dinosaur and move on to something more 1990's ish.
#47 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [pjc1]
Feb 26, 2007 (6:34 pm)
It's funny that you don't waste any time in pointing out the shortcomings of your $54,000- I certainly wouldn't turn my head up at a Land Cruiser, for me in my opinion the closest thing that I could find to one with the same options,bulk solid ride a comparable fit and finish at a much lower price was the Jeep Commander. I have to tell you I really loved driving this vehicle on my 4 day jaunt to Detroit. I am still holding out to purchase a Overland model. But they aren't discounting them right now as much as I would like. One last thing your right about the LC there are spy shots on several different sites right now of the upcoming LC.
#48 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [dds872]
Feb 28, 2007 (7:18 am)
I always like to be truthful about my experiences...and attempt to keep opinion out of it if I can. On its surface the LC is an icon to the average SUV shopper...great reliability but it comes at a cost of even minimal luxury...you can be blinded by the aura and history of the car when you test drive it but when it sits in your garage the "plastic" shows right through...you can't miss it....get the commander, save the money and drive happy every day.
#49 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [pjc1]
Feb 28, 2007 (6:38 pm)
Thanks ! Honesty is always appreciated.....
#50 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [pjc1]
Mar 01, 2007 (8:19 am)
Your "attempt to keep opinion out of it" has failed as all I read from your post is nothing but "opinion". I'm not sure what special gizmos you find lacking in the Land Cruiser, but even though I don't own one, this SUV is loaded & has everything I would ever want or need in a vehicle. What's even more important is the build quality & its reliability history, which the Chrysler Jeep brand has never provided...IMHO.
#51 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [pjc1]
Mar 01, 2007 (9:36 am)
That is quite an opinion you have there. The TLC is a very heavily loaded SUV and in the side by side comparisons with the it has more features/capacity than the Commander. The internal capacity alone dwarfs the Commander. I think the Commander has a place in the panapoly of SUV's, but it is no replacement for the TLC based on the comparisons. It does have a cleaner burning engine and it does cost less; however, Jeep also has one of the worst reliability records in the industry. Still in all, if you like it then I hope it proves to be an excellent vehicle and that Chrysler builds on a promising beginning.
Mar 01, 2007 (9:37 am)
..enough about Jeeps...
#53 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [hypnosis44]
Mar 01, 2007 (12:45 pm)
If you sense opinion then I apologize that opinion has been inserted. Having said this allow me to count the ways this $63K list SUV is lacking in "luxury" features that I see on other vehicles in the same class (even excluding the Jeep Commander).....observation only, no opinion.....
No memory seat (either side)
No power fold in mirrors (this is a large vehicle)
No ability to control all interior lighting by driver
No rain sensing or mist feature to wipers
No heated seat back/lumbar
No heat vent in third row seats
No heated rear seats
No ability to control rear temperature by driver
No courtesy floor lighting (in fact general interior lighting is poor, sorry for the opinion here)
No self leveling head lights (no biggie)
No outside rear view mirrow dimming feature
If you do not consider these shortcomings for $63K list vehicle that is OK too.
#54 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [pjc1]
Mar 01, 2007 (1:11 pm)
First, I agree with the host's statement above.
Second, the statement about being "blinded by the aura and history of the car..." suggests that more deliberation and time testing the car may have been of benefit. The aura and history of this vehicle is all about ruggedness and reliability, not creature comforts and gadgets, although it certainly has a generous share of those things. This is a vehicle designed to crawl out of the mud, not prance around Palm Beach. Understanding its DNA should be enlightening, not blinding. I think most people on this forum are here because we value and like these vehicles.
Finally, it sounds like you are looking for something different from what this vehicle offers. I was once in the same situation and know exactly how you feel. It's awful! You got this car at a great price. I would strongly urge you to consider what car you would be happy with and trade or sell the TLC for that one...ASAP. Life is too short to be this displeased with the car in your garage. When I traded my car for the one I really wanted my depression and remorse --related to cars anyway--disappeared and hasn't returned.
(Ironically, that was when I traded for a TLC).
Good luck, I sincerely hope you can soon have a car you like and spend time on another forum singing its praises.
#55 of 94 Re: Good deal...but maybe not... [vavavavolvo]
Mar 01, 2007 (2:04 pm)
Agreed that more time would have been of benefit...also full disclosure and a comprehensive explanation by the dealer and a brochure would have been nice too, but in the final analysis it is my responsibility to ensure that the goods are as promised and delivered...apparently in this discipline I performed poorly.
It may sound like I was looking for something different but I don't believe that to be the case...or perhaps I am just too idealistic to believe that $63K can buy you more than ruggedness and reliability...and likewise in the discipline of expectation of comprehensive value I performed poorly.
Lastly, your thinly veiled suggestion to me to get off the forum because other people on this forum value and like these vehicles is understood and accepted. I would not want to say anything to offend anyone.