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Is there some reason why there are no FlexFuel cars in the US that are efficient to begin with? Looking through the list of cars on e85fuel.com, the smallest ones I could find were the 2.7L Chrysler Sebring and the luxury Mercedes C240, leaving a LOT of room for more efficient FlexFuel cars. I don't understand why companies are offering this potentially revolutionary technology only in gas-guzzling vehicles. I mean, look at GM, who shows off its "Live Green Go Yellow" ad campaign with a massive Chevy Avalanche. If the Avalanche is rated for 14/18 on regular gasoline, what the heck can we expect on E85? Gallons per mile? In Brazil, you can buy small, efficient FlexFuel cars--why are the few E85 cars available in the US hulking beasts??? 5.0L, 5000LB vehicles are NOT the path to energy independence, no matter what fuel they are burning. Another somewhat related question, when will truly appealing FlexFuel cars arrive? Of course this is subjective, but I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who won't subject themselves to the mundaneness of Ford Tauruses or the hugeness of Chevy Avalanches just to run on E85. We need FlexFuel cars that are sensible: small, inexpensive, fun-to-drive, efficient. Why have we started off ethanol in the US on such a bad foot? |
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Replying to: bemanix88 (Apr 11, 2006 3:19 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2006 4:01 pm)
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Replying to: uniongodess (Apr 26, 2006 10:33 am) This is true but and the big auto companies also did flez fuel because of CAFE standards and with FlexFuel vehicules they got credit and helped their CAFE level. However, since gas has gone way up, people started to complain and the auto companies started thinking...... hummmm maybe since we have the proven technology in Brasil and it can be applied in the USA, we could do some ot that here? As has been stated by the CEO of GM. |
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Replying to: bemanix88 (Apr 11, 2006 3:19 pm) I want an E85 car because I think that is all that is going to be available sometime in the near future. But I sure don't want atwo ton truck. My dream car right now would be a Prius that runs on E85 and electric. Solves the pollution problem at highway speeds. Right now the Chevrolet sellers are saying they don't have a flexfuel Impala just the Avalanche. The goyellow campaign is just a farce-a smokescreen . sigh Someone has to move this technology forward-the auto manufacturers or the oil companies like BP and Shell who talk it up but don't have the structure in place anywhere yet. 
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Replying to: lemming (Jul 14, 2006 12:51 pm) It is GM's way of beating the system on selling big trucks and SUVs. Toyota uses the Prius and hybrids. They sell just enough to keep ahead of the CAFE fines. Getting a Prius or Camry hybrid is also not easy. Maybe you should order a Flex Fuel Impala. Probably get it faster than a Camry hybrid or Prius & for a better price. |
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Replying to: lemming (Jul 14, 2006 12:51 pm) Even plain old Mercedes, BMW or Audi TD engines if put into all kinds of cars would make most folks wonder "why bother with E85?"
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Aug 19, 2006 7:08 am)
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Replying to: fushigi (Aug 23, 2006 2:33 pm) Even as one moves into suburban driving, electric motors are less efficient that diesel; and, once you move to higway driving both gasoline and diesel are far more efficient. What are the reasons that would work against diesel electric hybrids. This would seem to me -- in the face of better batteries -- to be an almost ideal solution. As usual, I could be wrong. |
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