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#354 of 403 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [tallman1]
Aug 26, 2010 (7:11 pm)
Your logic doesn't really make sense. Okay so let's say I spend $50 for this set of brakes. What about the 24k miles, and 36k, and 48k...etc etc ? The $150 credit is a one time deal.
But from then on, I have to spend $200 every 8 months for a new set of brakes (in addition to the car payments, oil changes, tire rotations, and other routine maintenance). Mind you, this is all for a brand-spanking new car that's hardly broken in.
And you talk about keeping a car long term. That's what I was hoping too, but if a vehicle needs constant repair, you have to factor that repair cost into the overall cost of owning a vehicle.
So let's say a BMW costs more upfront, but a Honda could end up costing you more over the long run with excess repairs. Plus you have to factor in that a BMW is a higher class luxury car, so we're not exactly talking oranges to oranges here.
I was merely using BMW as an example of what seems to be a better made product, or at the very last, a company who stands behind their product. Is Honda doing that? NO. They won't admit wrong doing, and they are refusing to do a recall.
That sounds like a big 'SCREW YOU' to honda consumers everywhere. Everyone with an 08-09 accord (the model years with poor brake quality) knows what I'm talking about.
#355 of 403 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (7:20 pm)
I was under the impression that Honda fixed the brake issue. My understanding was that they are putting different (better) brakes when they replace them so that you won't have to replace them every 12k.
#356 of 403 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [tallman1]
Aug 26, 2010 (7:27 pm)
I heard the "new" brake pads (part # ending in "40") isn't much better than the original brake pads. Although the service advisors at the dealerships won't admit it, I spoke to a guy at the Honda Dealer - Parts Dept, and he confirmed he still gets complaints about the new brake pads all the time. He says they're not much better.
I guess only time will tell......but the general consensus is that the overall brake system design is flawed. The "better pads" (whatever that means) is more of a band-aid fix.
Aug 26, 2010 (7:58 pm)
I needed new rears brakes on my 2005 (4 cyl/stick) at right about 40K. Actually, 3 of the 4 pads were fine. Just the inner right side pad was shot.
from talking with a guy at one place (who guessed the exact problem over the phone), the problem was not the pad. It was the caliper hanging up somehow, causing the pad to drag and wear out.
Definitely not a pad issue when only 1 of 4 is shot.
They did lube the caliper up real good, but it probably makes sense for me to have them do it again at some point (I am pushing 60K at this point, and have no desire to ever replace the brakes again).
#358 of 403 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (8:45 pm)
$2k for 2 years and 50k miles worth of warranty sounds like a good deal? I beg to differ. Excluding tires, $2,000 hasn't been spent on my 15 year old car with 214k miles on it. And, a trip to the dealer every short while for a repair isn't a very "premium" experience.
If you're buying a Bimmer/Benz etc for a short term, the reliability equation is less important. European cars are known for little problems that add-up quickly. Read a long-term test of the BMW 750 here on Edmunds Inside Line. $100k car with more warning lights pop up than I've ever seen in my 200k+ vehicle. Yes, it is a more complicated car with an overwhelming amount of electronics. However, if those electronics quit working after 20k miles, what fun is that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the current generation Accord (I think Honda's last truly great Accords were in the 90s, although I do like my '06 2.4L - 63k and lots of meat still on all the brake pads), but I stand by my claim that buying European to save money on maintenance is as like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Aug 27, 2010 (2:24 am)
The new Accord sedan offers the most room and comfort ever offered by an Accord.
#360 of 403 Re: room and comfort [hanna_depp]
Aug 27, 2010 (3:05 am)
I read with interest anyone's post about a relatively-recent car with premature pad and rotor wear.
GM warranties 'pads and linings' for 12K miles, but does not exclude rotors; hence, I have had rotors resurfaced and also replaced free, up to 40.8K miles (goodwill gesture at that point). I'm amazed when I read that even some GM dealers are not aware of GM's warranty on rotors, simply lumping them in with "pads and linings". I also have seen a GM TSB advising dealers to consider replacing pads for free if they are needed before 24K miles.
I recently bought a 2008 Chrysler product used, and the warranty is adamant that rotors are only warrantied for 12K miles, and also that the powertrain warranty isn't transferrable to subsequent owners (like GM's can). Who'da thunk that the Satan of auto manufacturers, GM, has had stronger warranties than many more looked-up-to brands?
#361 of 403 08-09 Accord Brake Problems - Present Day Honda
Aug 27, 2010 (9:53 am)
Wow, I can't beileve some of you guys are defending Honda. The company would be lucky to have you as their spokesperson - "Honda, we make a crappy product now, but we're riding on our reputation built over the last couple decades." Good for you guys.
I, for one, am extremely irritated. A company that does not stand behind their product, even in the face of numerous documented cases, and just signs a partial settlement where they admit no wrongdoing and only pay for part of the brake job (for only the 1st brake change) - how can anyone have respect for such a company?
I guess they're really not looking for repeat business anymore. Those of you that own 2004, or 2006 models, that's great, you lucked out. But you're not really in a position to judge those of us who have to do deal with the 08-09 (and early 2010) models that are experiencing these issues - and will continue to experience these issues for a 5 year car finance term.
#362 of 403 Re: 08-09 Accord Brake Problems - Present Day Honda [amojeba]
Aug 27, 2010 (10:14 am)
I'm not judging your desire to sell; I don't even blame you. I do however think it absurd to buy European to ensure low-cost and reliability. Those things (European vehicles and a very quiet repair history) are mutually exclusive, generally.
I'm not defending Honda. I find it dumb that my rear-view mirror glass fell off after 1,000 miles, and my CD changer had to be replaced at 36k miles, but in general, Asian makes are better (and cheaper to maintain) in reliability than Europeans.
Perhaps you should look at the Fusion?
Aug 27, 2010 (10:17 am)
Own a 2008 Accord LX-P, no brake or any other problems over 27,500 miles and perfectly satisfied with a magnificent vehicle.