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Honda Accord, Sedan
#350 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (12:43 pm)
Were I driving a BMW right now, I'd be getting the brakes (and rotors, if necessary) replaced for free.
#351 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (1:10 pm)
Actually, that's not true. And regardless, BMW offers 4 yrs / 50k mile absolutely free comprehensive maintenance.
And for $2k more, you can buy the extended 6 yrs / 100k.
Seems like a good deal to me.
Look at the sticker price on that BMW, then tell us again, it's free. Nothing is free, especially when you pay $2k for it.
#352 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [elroy5]
Aug 26, 2010 (1:20 pm)
Instead of arguing with me...have you called "National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) " to submit your complaint on the 09 Accord?
#353 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (4:39 pm)
I won't pretend to know everything about this current brake issue... some haven't noticed early wear but it seems that quite a few others have. I have an 06 Accord with over 84k on the original brakes. Thegrad and elroy have the previous generation as well so we won't be making any calls.
However, it does sound like Honda has found and fixed the problem. If they are giving you $150 toward a $200 brake job and you got 12k miles out of the old ones, you are only out $50 with brand new brakes.
I'm sure that is frustrating and I can understand that you won't be interested in buying a Honda in the future. Some of us keep our cars for a long time (for elroy and me, that means at least 10 years) so their point about paying more up front for a BMW is well-taken.
#354 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [tallman1]
Aug 26, 2010 (6:11 pm)
Your logic doesn't really make sense. Okay so let's say I spend $50 for this set of brakes. What about the 24k miles, and 36k, and 48k...etc etc ? The $150 credit is a one time deal.
But from then on, I have to spend $200 every 8 months for a new set of brakes (in addition to the car payments, oil changes, tire rotations, and other routine maintenance). Mind you, this is all for a brand-spanking new car that's hardly broken in.
And you talk about keeping a car long term. That's what I was hoping too, but if a vehicle needs constant repair, you have to factor that repair cost into the overall cost of owning a vehicle.
So let's say a BMW costs more upfront, but a Honda could end up costing you more over the long run with excess repairs. Plus you have to factor in that a BMW is a higher class luxury car, so we're not exactly talking oranges to oranges here.
I was merely using BMW as an example of what seems to be a better made product, or at the very last, a company who stands behind their product. Is Honda doing that? NO. They won't admit wrong doing, and they are refusing to do a recall.
That sounds like a big 'SCREW YOU' to honda consumers everywhere. Everyone with an 08-09 accord (the model years with poor brake quality) knows what I'm talking about.
#355 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (6:20 pm)
I was under the impression that Honda fixed the brake issue. My understanding was that they are putting different (better) brakes when they replace them so that you won't have to replace them every 12k.
#356 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [tallman1]
Aug 26, 2010 (6:27 pm)
I heard the "new" brake pads (part # ending in "40") isn't much better than the original brake pads. Although the service advisors at the dealerships won't admit it, I spoke to a guy at the Honda Dealer - Parts Dept, and he confirmed he still gets complaints about the new brake pads all the time. He says they're not much better.
I guess only time will tell......but the general consensus is that the overall brake system design is flawed. The "better pads" (whatever that means) is more of a band-aid fix.
Aug 26, 2010 (6:58 pm)
I needed new rears brakes on my 2005 (4 cyl/stick) at right about 40K. Actually, 3 of the 4 pads were fine. Just the inner right side pad was shot.
from talking with a guy at one place (who guessed the exact problem over the phone), the problem was not the pad. It was the caliper hanging up somehow, causing the pad to drag and wear out.
Definitely not a pad issue when only 1 of 4 is shot.
They did lube the caliper up real good, but it probably makes sense for me to have them do it again at some point (I am pushing 60K at this point, and have no desire to ever replace the brakes again).
#358 of 406 Re: 2009 Accord - 12k miles [amojeba]
Aug 26, 2010 (7:45 pm)
$2k for 2 years and 50k miles worth of warranty sounds like a good deal? I beg to differ. Excluding tires, $2,000 hasn't been spent on my 15 year old car with 214k miles on it. And, a trip to the dealer every short while for a repair isn't a very "premium" experience.
If you're buying a Bimmer/Benz etc for a short term, the reliability equation is less important. European cars are known for little problems that add-up quickly. Read a long-term test of the BMW 750 here on Edmunds Inside Line. $100k car with more warning lights pop up than I've ever seen in my 200k+ vehicle. Yes, it is a more complicated car with an overwhelming amount of electronics. However, if those electronics quit working after 20k miles, what fun is that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the current generation Accord (I think Honda's last truly great Accords were in the 90s, although I do like my '06 2.4L - 63k and lots of meat still on all the brake pads), but I stand by my claim that buying European to save money on maintenance is as like cutting off your nose to spite your face.