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#284 of 403 VSA and Japan made Accords
by jeffalvinson
Feb 27, 2010 (1:15 pm)
I have had many generations of Accords (1983, 1988, 1994, 2000 & 2009). All were 4 cylinder sedans and all were trouble free, except the 2009 is still too soon to tell because it only has 5,700 miles.
Here is a couple of interesting thoughts that are open for debate and idea's.
1: "VSA" is a brake drag system to slow the wheel speed down when encountering bumps, holes, slippage from wet conditions or snow and ice.
Question: "What if our VSA systems are defective and are constantly dragging the brakes when its not suppose to be dragging the brakes?" (causing pre-mature wear and over-heating?) Its just a thought, but meanwhile until this pre-mature brake wear problem is resolved by Honda, I always drive with my VSA in the "Off" position since the car had about 1,000 miles on it (that's when I thought of it).
Only time will tell if this is meaningful.
2: My 2009 Accord is made in Japan (first letters in vehicle I.D....JHMCP and window sticker said made in Japan. In fact all 5 of my Accords were made in Japan.)
How many of you having pre-mature rear brake problems have American made Accords? ...versus....Japan made Accords?
My thought is this: Many years ago, the original reason why Honda's and Toyota's were so darn reliable versus American car manufacturers was the Japanese quality control at their plants and their work ethic was superior to ours.
So the questons is: Did the Japanese car companies cause their own reliability problems by placing their manufacturing in the USA and other countries?
#285 of 403 Re: VSA and Japan made Accords [jeffalvinson]
by mbusuttil
Feb 27, 2010 (1:43 pm)
Hi,i agree with you that Japan's Honda Accords are more reialable than made in other countires .Mine is too brought from Japan and even the 2009 STYLE is DIFFERENT than 2009/2010 of those made in America.What i don't know is wether the mechanism parts are different.Here is the link that of Accords madeof japan to Europe. http://www.batfa.com/new_car_honda_accord.htm
#286 of 403 Re: A Choice Maybe? [hackattack5]
by mrbill1957
Feb 27, 2010 (3:56 pm)
Just curious since your not going to buy a Honda again, what would you buy instead? Is Nissan, Hyundai, Toyota, Subaru, GM, Ford, or any other manufacturers doing a better job of standing behind their cars?
A good friend of mine works at a Nissan/Hyundai/Honda dealership and his personal opinion is the Nissans have far more problems then the Hondas do. Sure, I'd be more then a little upset over the brake issue, but the alternatives could be worse. How would you be feeling right now if you bought a Toyota?
Mrbill
#287 of 403 Re: VSA and Japan made Accords [jeffalvinson]
by elroy5
Feb 27, 2010 (7:06 pm)
So the questons is: Did the Japanese car companies cause their own reliability problems by placing their manufacturing in the USA and other countries?
I disagree with the idea that Americans can't put a car together just as good as the Japanese. Both my 92 and 03 Accords were built in Marysville Ohio, and both have been very reliable, well put together cars. I don't see how the Japanese could have done a better job. I also owned a 97 Toyota, built in Japan, that had numerous issues (rack and pinion, starter, vibrations) in only 6 years.
#288 of 403 Re: VSA and Japan made Accords [jeffalvinson]
by temj12
Feb 27, 2010 (7:11 pm)
I did not know any Japanese made Accords were sold in the U.S. I thought they all came from Marysville, where mine originates. Are these only sold in certain parts of the United States. I live in the south.
#289 of 403 Re: A Choice Maybe? [mrbill1957]
by temj12
Feb 27, 2010 (7:18 pm)
I currently own a 2005 Honda Accord and a 2009 Honda Civic SI. Prior to the 2009 Civic, I had a 2006 Civic. The 2006 model Civics had trouble with the rear suspension. At 65,000 when the Honda dealer noticed a problem, they agreed, after pressure, to pay one-half of the cost. In contrast, I have a 2007 Ford F-150. At 20,000 the rotors were warped in the rear. The dealer fixed it, no charge, without any hesitation. This has been my experience with Ford products. I find Honda stingy on what they will repair and it is always on a percentage basis, whether they are at fault or not.
#290 of 403 Re: A Choice Maybe? [mrbill1957]
by hackattack5
Feb 28, 2010 (6:08 am)
"Just curious since your not going to buy a Honda again, what would you buy instead?"
:alternatives could be worse.
That's exactly what has Honda and Toyota in the position that they are in today. They feel like they can treat their customers like crap because what are you going to do? well I bought a Fusion and I did have that "what the heck am I doing" Feeling when I went to a Ford dealership but I have to tell you that the car rides much better and is actually fun to drive so even if I do get into a situation where I am going to spend $300.00 every 20,000 miles for something that should not be worn out I would still no regret my choice to stick it up Honda's rear.
#291 of 403 Re: A Choice Maybe? [hackattack5]
by woody_onu
Feb 28, 2010 (6:46 am)
Not sure. There is no perfect vehicle or maker out there of course. I think customers pay a slight premium for Honda and Toyota over Ford, etc. to get that better quality they've come to expect. If it's not there, paying more ain't worth it. Consumers might as well buy GM/Ford/Saturn/etc. Sure there will be problems, but at least you didn't pay extra for them. And I'm not trying to knock those brands, it's just they aren't as expensive as the foreign maker's vehicles.
Personally, I've owned Infiniti, Ford, Chrysler, and now Honda X2. I would say the Infinity was probably the best even though it was their basic entry level model, the G20. I had no problems for 6+ years with it so I cannot speak as to how they handle issues like Honda's brake wear. Like I said, other than the Honda, I was strongly considering the Altima so I guess I would still try Nissan/Infiniti. Even though Toyota did try to cover up their issues, I think they are doing things correctly now. Once their current issues are behind them, I think they will bounce back so I'd consider them as I think they will be strongly emphasizing quality and customer service in the future.
#292 of 403 Re: A Choice Maybe? [hackattack5]
by tzinma
Mar 05, 2010 (8:08 am)
So I just had a similar problem with a 2008 Accord. I seem to be lucky because the problem didn't occur until 38000 miles. When I went to Honda I asked them about the breaks wearing prematurely and they said it was a known problem and did only charge me 1/2. I just wonder if they would have offered that without me asking.
#293 of 403 08 Accord Front and Rear Brakes
by cpresensky
Mar 10, 2010 (6:03 am)
I have an 08 Accord Coupe, 25000 miles. I've got 'chirping' coming from the brakes but not sure whether it's from the front or rear. Called the local Dealership who informed me that 'Honda has a brake kit out for issues with front brakes due to wear, 'screeching noises' and shudder'. The kit only applies to Accords that still have the original pads. I'm going to stop by there this afternoon to let them take a look and a test drive. And after reading this forum I have no doubt my rear pads are shot. Thanks.