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#209 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [tallman1] by canddmeyer

Dec 31, 2009 (3:34 pm)

Replying to: tallman1 (Dec 01, 2009 10:17 pm)
My 1999 Accord still has the original rear shoes at 50,000 miles, and that's 95% city driving. I probably won't purchase another Accord, not because of the brakes, but due to the excessive road noise, which is again there in 2010 models, but not in a 2007 model I test drove a few years ago. Honda needs to tame the road noise like it has in the 2010 Acura TL.
 
As for those of you with the pads going at 24,000 miles or less in normal driving, I'd be P.O'd too. Thankfully Edmunds is around to save the day giving us an outlet to hold discussions and to discuss ongoing issues, good or bad. Thank you Edmunds.

#211 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [accordguy0325] by elroy5

Dec 31, 2009 (5:41 pm)

Here is Honda's attempt at the solution to the rear brakes.
 
This is a quote, from a Honda technician, on another forum.
  
  "Update: Just got a new revised set of '08+ Accord rear pads in yesterday (12/16/2009). The new part number for the rear pad set is 43022-TA0-A51, which replaces the original pad set 43022-TA0-A00. The revised pad set includes two wire springs that fit into holes drilled into the rear edges of the backing plates. These springs are intended to hold the pads away from the rotor while there is no brake pressure. Honda has already been using a similar wire spring setup for '02-06 CR-V and '03+ Element front pads.We'll see if they help to extend rear pad life for the Accords."
  
Can't say if this will solve the problem or not (too early), but I would check with a dealership about it. Good luck

#212 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [elroy5] by billpaul

Dec 31, 2009 (8:24 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 31, 2009 5:41 pm)
Thank you everyone for your comments.
 
It is hard to understand why Honda is having problems with disc brakes, which are not exactly new technology. Has it really taken them 2 years to come up with a solution that is the same as in other Honda models? Also, I wonder what percentage of Accords are having this problem.

#213 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [billpaul] by elroy5

Dec 31, 2009 (10:58 pm)

Replying to: billpaul (Dec 31, 2009 8:24 pm)
Disk brakes are not new, but EBD (electronic brake-force distribution) is. EBD uses much more rear braking, to reduce nose dive. My guess is, they will have to increase the size of the rear callipers and pads. While this sounds simple enough, they have to decide how much increase in size is needed, which will require some research and testing. Safety is a big concern, with any braking system change, so change will take time. I doubt the Accord will see a rear braking system change before the redesign in 2013. I'm sure Honda is hoping the rear pad revision will reduce the problem until then.

#214 of 403 08 honda accord rear brake wear by danesi

Jan 06, 2010 (12:37 pm)

just got back from my 20000 mile service. Was told 2mm left on rear brake pads. Service technician said Honda was offering to install replacement pads, etc on rear for 50% of regular price. He related that Honda was quietly providing 100% replacement if mileage was under 12000, 50% between 12000 and 20000. No subsidy after 20001 miles. Cost to me approx $150. Figured it was worth it. If I find that Honda is making it a warranty item in the future I will make a claim.

#215 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [rearpads] by schimi

Jan 14, 2010 (9:42 pm)

Replying to: rearpads (Dec 29, 2009 11:18 pm)
I have an almost brand new 2009 Accord EX-L 4cyl 190hp with only 4400km on.
At the beginning brakes were smoking heavily. Honda service could find nothing. Smoking stopped but rear brakes smell burnt every second time I come home. Went to Honda again, but they told me if they check again and find nothing I have to pay for the labor. I think something stinks big time. I never had that problem with any car before. I am a very experienced driver and used to repair my car myself in my earlier days, but they treat me like a complete idiot at the service department.
What shell I do about it? If something is wrong they will later say breaks are normal wear and tear and will make me pick up the bill.

#216 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [schimi] by rearpads

Jan 15, 2010 (1:36 am)

Replying to: schimi (Jan 14, 2010 9:42 pm)
Make a copy of the messages on these couple of pages that mentioned the silent and temporary solution and go back to your dealership and ask them to install the following part 43022-TA0-A51 with the wire springs as indicated by elroy5.
 
Honda service mechanics and So California Rep mentioned the same thing that the rear pads did not disengage after releasing the pedal so the premature wear -- this is a caliber problem but they believe that the springs will prolong the life of the pads at that level that looks decent. A Honda mechanic mentioned that everything is under-engineered in 08 09 10 Accords that is why the cars have so many problems. She suggested to use always hand-brake and from time to time to back up the car for a couple of hundred yards to help with aligning the pads – not sure how this things works.
 
I have found at least one person from www.carcomplaints.com that was able to get money back through arbitration (#602 post – Accords 2008s), and there is class action on the works in Los Angeles http://www.girardgibbs.com/hondabrakes.asp?_kk=honda%20accord%20brake%20problems- &_kt=72b8cce1-0fe8-4f4f-88b8-55662de96fbb&gclid=CPiPpoG2ip0CFUdM5QodLVRm2Q.
 
I am close to start BBB-Autoline arbitration I will post the dates if/when this happens as the Honda people do not care about their customer’s safety but for their bottom line only. It took a highway police officer to die for the NHTSA to recall the Toyotas because of the faulty cruise control … it will take years to act to the rip-off of the Honda customers. Edmunds do not post reviews that will deviate to much from the initial review because they will get the blame for their poor job rating and consumerreports.org will take a year to change their rating the way they calculate the statistics – they at least let all reviews visible. I suggest all of us to write to the State Attorneys and Congressmen of our areas for this rip-off.
 
The dealership in Southern California installed the same part in my car, part 43022-TA0-A51 with the wire springs. However my rear brakes still smell burning even after a short ride so their solution is not the best— I have no clue about cars but I think it is more caliber & distribution problem. By the way my car smells more on cold days …
 
2010 Accords have the same design as 08 09 no brake improvements I do not know if Honda is installing the new pads though
 
I think with this information you will convince the dealership to change your pads to the new pads with the metal spring.
 
By the way does anybody knows
- if the metal brake sensor on the rear pads on 08 09 accords is in the inside or outside pad.
- if it is common to have inner outer pads uneven significanlty (1/4 inch)
- if it is common to have left-right parts uneven significanlty (more than 1/4 inch)

#217 of 403 Re: Rear Brake wear 08 Accords [rearpads] by corkscrew

Jan 15, 2010 (5:38 am)

Replying to: rearpads (Jan 15, 2010 1:36 am)
If you have uneven pad wear (tapered) that is the result of improper, or no lube on the sliding pins. Damaged or improperly installed bushings or sleeves will cause uneven movement of the caliper causing tapered pad wear as well. Which wheel and which pad (inner or outer) has the most wear?
  Corkscew

#218 of 403 pad wear by stickguy

Jan 15, 2010 (5:56 am)

I have a 2005, and had to do the rear brakes at 40K.
 
And it was uneven pad wear that caused the problem. The left side (both pads) was fine, and the outer RS was like new. The inner RS pad however was shot.
 
particularly annoying since shortly before that, the dealer gave the rear brakes a green check for pad life left (pretty sure they just measured the outer pad since the wheels didn't come off during the oil change). Wasn't til I had a rotation done and the tire shop guy checked them all that I found the problem.
 
The mechanic at the shop who did the job even knew before I brought it in which pad it was!
 
He also said it was a caliper problem, related to the sliding pins (I am pretty sure) not releasing. He supposedly lubed the heck out of them. I should probably have them checked/lubed next time I get a rotation done.

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