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#194 of 223 Re: My choice [uplanderguy]
Dec 30, 2007 (4:20 pm)
frankly, I haven't forgotten World War II. Since there are thousands of people, on all sides, who were alive then and who remember now what that was all about, why we were dragged into it, I cannot justify spending money on a product whose profits go back to a country that attacked us, or was on the verge of most likely (Germany).
I was born in 73' my grandfather served in WW2 and when he died he was driving a Toyota Corolla and my grandmother is still driving a Hyundai Elantra. My great uncle who passed away about 10 years ago also served in the Army was driving all Mercedes for the time I can remember.
Seriously, I can respect your reasoning and I understand the whole Patriotism thing. I am truely thankful for our freedoms that our forefathers earned, but this is the 20st century, I am not going to hold onto something that happened 70 years ago as a reason for a car purchase. Those people selling, building, marketing cars from Japan and Germany weren't soldiers in WW2 either, they are just businessmen (just like us Americans) trying to earn a honest paycheck to support their families just like us. I'm not going to personally hold WW2 against a bunch of people who were probably babies when that crap happened.
Hey, we buy oil from the same people harboring terrorists who attacked this country. Those same people are looking to threaten our freedom as well. Maybe we should think of that as well when we are buying our 12mpg Suburbans and Tahoes huh? Make a pledge to buy only American produced oil.
It is no secret that domestic manufacturers employ thousands more employees than do import manufacturers, even those that manufacture here. That's not my sole reason for buying what I do, but if that doesn't even enter a person's head in the slightest when deciding what to buy, well...I'm sorry to hear that.
Good for you. I buy what suits my needs best, has a proven track record amongst me, my family and my friends and if a domestic so happens to make the cut? I'll buy it. That's just my preference I guess.
#195 of 223 Re: . [anythngbutgm]
Dec 30, 2007 (4:22 pm)
If you think the '97 and '04 Malibus received the same level of universal acclaim from ALL the motoring press as the '08 has, send me whatever it is you've been ingesting, please. I need the same escape from reality you've been exhibiting here.
#196 of 223 Re: My choice [anythngbutgm]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 30, 2007 (4:27 pm)
but this is the 20st century
You may want to fix that Y2K computer bug. We changed centuries on 1/1/01.
#197 of 223 Re: My choice [anythngbutgm]
Dec 30, 2007 (4:32 pm)
Well, I was born in 1965. My Grandpop is currently 86 and served in the 2nd Armored Division in the European Theatre during WWII. He still drives his 1989 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Brougham with 145K miles on it. My girlfriend's father who just passed away last year was a WWII Navy veteran in the Pacific Theatre. His last car was a 2003 Chevrolet Impala. Ironically enough, he did once own a 1975 Datsun, but found it was unsuitable for Phialdelphia driving conditions. He told me that taking that little car on the Schuylkill Expressway was quite an adventure!
Dec 30, 2007 (4:36 pm)
I'm not going to spend my evening researching this one but a quick google search brought me this...
Chevrolet has completely redesigned its highly successful Malibu for the 2004 model year. The only thing that carries over from the old Malibu is the name. Every screw, nut and bolt is new on the 2004 Malibu. Test drives of several variations of the 2004 Malibu demonstrated that Chevy's new sedan stacks up well against the Japanese competition in driving dynamics and price.
The driving performance of the Malibu exceeded our expectations. Steering and handling are softer than the Honda Accord, but firmer than the Toyota Camry, the right balance for a wide range of buyers. The solid body structure and supple suspension result in a quiet cabin and comfortable ride yet allow spirited driving. We were impressed with the power of the available V6. The cabin offers roomy accommodations for five passengers with comfortable seats and logical controls that are easy to use.
Introduced in 1996 as a 1997 model, General Motors expected the Chevrolet Malibu to take some wind out of the sails of import competitors like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry who were gaining market share against the domestics in the mid-size car segment. With the conservative looks and a desirable blend of comfort and handling, the 1997 Malibu appeared to be right on the money. Enough that Motor Trend was moved to name it "1997 Car of the Year."
#199 of 223 Re: . [uplanderguy]
Dec 30, 2007 (4:37 pm)
Well, my girlfriend once owned the 1997-era Malibu's ugly sister - the 1999 Oldsmobile Cutlass sedan. It was mediocrity personified with its underwhelming 3.1 litre V-6 with a troubled cooling system. Even GM uses it to poke fun at itself in its ads for the 2008 Malibu. I told her that her car was no Oldsmobile. I like to think of Oldsmobiles as my Dad's glamourous 1955 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Starfire convertible, the awesome 442 muscle cars, or even my stately 1979 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Regency sedan.
#200 of 223 Re: My choice [lemko]
Dec 30, 2007 (4:42 pm)
My granddad served in the Navy from day one of WW2 till the 50's. My dad was inspired enough by this that he also joined the Navy right after spending a year at Boston University starting his degree in mechanical drafting. He left college because he felt it was his duty to serve in Vietnam. I almost served myself as I graduated around the time of the Gulf war, but chose to pursue a college degree instead (earned scholarship)
#202 of 223 Re: My choice [lemko]
Dec 31, 2007 (4:12 am)
My answer to the "lousy resale value argument" is that buying any car I don't like just because it has great resale value is still throwing money away in my book.
And my response to anyone who thinks a $30-$40k GM product is a better "value" than a $40-50k Japanese or German product doesn't know how to do the math.
#203 of 223 Re: My choice [habitat1]
Dec 31, 2007 (6:27 am)
Has nothing to do with math. To me, the German and Japanese cars are undesirable. The German cars are too expensive and troublesome and the Japanese cars are simply boring and/or ugly. I could care less if one of my GM cars is worth $0 by the time it's paid-off. I simply find GM cars exponentially more desirable than any of the imports.
Spending my money on either a German or Japanese vehicle despite the way I feel about them because they have so-called "better resale value" is still wasting my money. It's like marrying the ugly girl with the nasty personality who's going to make your life miserable just because her Daddy is rich and promised you a great job at his company. Sorry, I'll stay with the nice girl of modest means who has treated me well for over 25 years.