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Re: As reported on Cnet [gagrice] by larsb
Jul 30, 2008 (1:35 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 30, 2008 1:17 pm)

"hybrid brain" -Good One !! LOL !!!
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by gwmort
Jul 31, 2008 (5:29 am)
Hmmm...never can tell when you're kidding, Lars - if you go from, say, 50 mpg to 100 mpg, you'll save 1000 gallons over 100,000 miles, right? Worth about $4000? And the kit costs between $5000 and $11,000? hmmmmmm
 
Assumes gas will stay at $4 a gallon over the next 100,000 miles. When I bought by 2003 prius 110,000 miles ago gas was much closer to $2 a gallon. Once our market corrects and we are paying global/European prices between $8-10 per gallon (currently likely to rise in years to come). Spending $5k to save 1000 gallons will look like a better deal.
 
Any all electric range will be invaluable once the shortages arrive and Joe Gasburner can't fill his tank.
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Re: [gwmort] by texases
Jul 31, 2008 (5:45 am)

Replying to: gwmort (Jul 31, 2008 5:29 am)

"Spending $5k to save 1000 gallons will look like a better deal."
 
I might be prepared to roll those dice on a factory-installed version, but aftermarket? No way. Too complex of a system, to many things that could go wrong, too expensive if they do.
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Re: [texases] by gagrice
Jul 31, 2008 (6:23 am)

Replying to: texases (Jul 31, 2008 5:45 am)

Plus it will void the major items under warranty. Don't plan on the conversion place to cover a $10,000 HSD system that is damaged etc. I am sure it would free Toyota from any responsibility on the traction battery. Another $5k if it croaks. After market PHEV are for the wealthy Greenie with money to throw away.
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Re: [gagrice] by tpe
Aug 03, 2008 (3:57 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 31, 2008 6:23 am)

You dissenters make valid points but at least recognize the direction things are going. If plug-in technology can prove it's reliability and reduce it's price premium then it becomes a no-brainer. I don't blame people for wanting to stay on the sidelines for a few years. Personally I'm also watching from the sidelines but am definitely rooting for the EV's to prevail.
 
I read an article the other day regarding Toyota's battery plans. They are currently pursuing their own Li-ion battery packs for their hybrids. For obvious reasons they are holding off implementing these batteries until they feel confident in their safety and longevity. At the same time Toyota is also investing heavily in zinc/air battery technology. If this pans out it could potentially deliver 3X the energy density of the best Li-ion batteries.
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Re: [tpe] by gagrice
Aug 04, 2008 (5:26 am)

Replying to: tpe (Aug 03, 2008 3:57 pm)

I would buy an EV if it was available. Not too interested in the PHEV. Just too much crap to go bad over the long haul. Several years ago I wanted a GEM in the worst way to beat out the oil companies. It was Government regulations that blocked me. They are only legal on roads posted 35 MPH and below. The Xebra was just not a well built vehicle for the $12k price tag. Now GEM is importing the ACE and I would consider one of those. I think the regulators will do everything in their power to block EVs.
 
Tata and Chrysler sign deal to import electric Ace
 
Chrysler's Global Electric Motorcars division (GEM) is working with Tata to import fully-assembled vehicles that meet all the appropriate U.S. regulations. The battery-operated Ace has successfully navigated the required safety tests, and they're reportedly ready for production. Tata wants to eventually export up to 50,000 vehicles to the US, but they've pegged the goal for 2008 at 10,000 units. This is definitely the year to keep an eye on Tata.
 
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Re: [tpe] by texases
Aug 04, 2008 (6:06 am)

Replying to: tpe (Aug 03, 2008 3:57 pm)

"If plug-in technology can prove it's reliability and reduce it's price premium then it becomes a no-brainer. I don't blame people for wanting to stay on the sidelines for a few years. Personally I'm also watching from the sidelines but am definitely rooting for the EV's to prevail. "
 
Absolutely. I look at the options being discussed, and think some combination of HEV/PHEV/EVs it the only option we have for the next 10+ years as an add-on to ICEs. The massive expenditures on hydrogen aren't going to yield anything in that time period, if ever. We already have the distribution system up, running, and tested for PHEV/EVs, unlike hydrogen. Yes, there will be some capacity constraints, but we know how to build power plants.
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Re: [gagrice] by stevedebi
Aug 04, 2008 (3:31 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 04, 2008 5:26 am)

"Chrysler's Global Electric Motorcars division (GEM) is working with Tata to import fully-assembled vehicles that meet all the appropriate U.S. regulations. The battery-operated Ace has successfully navigated the required safety tests, and they're reportedly ready for production. Tata wants to eventually export up to 50,000 vehicles to the US, but they've pegged the goal for 2008 at 10,000 units. This is definitely the year to keep an eye on Tata."
  
Does that big box in the back house the batteries?
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Re: [stevedebi] by gagrice
Aug 04, 2008 (4:02 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 04, 2008 3:31 pm)

Looks like they use them for appliance delivery in India.
 
I just wonder what kind of range they have. I imagine with lead acid somewhere in the 25 mile range. It would work for me if it was legal. I can live with 25 MPH running my errands. The problem is the roads are all narrow and 45-50 MPH posted. Most places you cannot pass the bike riders without crossing the double yellow lines. I can imagine getting a few folks miffed at me plugging along at 25 MPH. The nursery I use is only 6 miles and all the stores we shop at most of the time are only 3 miles.
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PHEV conversions and your life savings by larsb
Aug 13, 2008 (6:39 am)
Here are almost all the plug-in conversion options in the USA right now.
 
For hybrid owners with more money than sense

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