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Re: PHEV fire [igh] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2008 (5:35 pm)

Replying to: igh (Jul 02, 2008 1:17 pm)

I was thinking of Hybrid Plus in Colorado. They were charging about $24k for the entry level and $32k for the long range PHEV kit. I am not familiar with Hymotion. They are not yet selling their product. They are taking deposits for delivery starting in December. Hybrid Plus was selling theirs until one caught on fire. They have recommended they should all be parked until they can assess the problem. Both use the A123 Li-Ion battery.
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As reported on Cnet by larsb
Jul 30, 2008 (12:42 pm)
Luscious Garage in SanFran
 
Luscious Garage is offering to perform plug-in hybrid conversions with equipment from Plug-In Supply.
 
Petaluma, Calif.-based Plug-In Supply. announced last week at the Plug-In 2008 conference that it will sell $5,000 conversion systems with lead-acid batteries, enabling a Prius to achieve the equivalent of 100 miles per gallon and drive 20 miles on a full charge. Kits with lithium-ion batteries cost $11,000.
 
A conversion for $5K that gives 20 miles !! That's a great price !!!
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Re: As reported on Cnet [larsb] by texases
Jul 30, 2008 (1:01 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Jul 30, 2008 12:42 pm)

Hmmm...never can tell when you're kidding, Lars - if you go from, say, 50 mpg to 100 mpg, you'll save 1000 gallons over 100,000 miles, right? Worth about $4000? And the kit costs between $5000 and $11,000? hmmmmmm
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Re: As reported on Cnet [texases] by gagrice
Jul 30, 2008 (1:17 pm)

Replying to: texases (Jul 30, 2008 1:01 pm)

You have to forgive him. He has a hybrid brain. Great at any cost. My question is how much that adds to the already Porky Prius? At least a 500 lbs of Lead Acid batteries. I think PHEVs are headed backwards. What happened to the NiMH batteries?
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Re: As reported on Cnet [gagrice] by larsb
Jul 30, 2008 (1:35 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 30, 2008 1:17 pm)

"hybrid brain" -Good One !! LOL !!!
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by gwmort
Jul 31, 2008 (5:29 am)
Hmmm...never can tell when you're kidding, Lars - if you go from, say, 50 mpg to 100 mpg, you'll save 1000 gallons over 100,000 miles, right? Worth about $4000? And the kit costs between $5000 and $11,000? hmmmmmm
 
Assumes gas will stay at $4 a gallon over the next 100,000 miles. When I bought by 2003 prius 110,000 miles ago gas was much closer to $2 a gallon. Once our market corrects and we are paying global/European prices between $8-10 per gallon (currently likely to rise in years to come). Spending $5k to save 1000 gallons will look like a better deal.
 
Any all electric range will be invaluable once the shortages arrive and Joe Gasburner can't fill his tank.
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Re: [gwmort] by texases
Jul 31, 2008 (5:45 am)

Replying to: gwmort (Jul 31, 2008 5:29 am)

"Spending $5k to save 1000 gallons will look like a better deal."
 
I might be prepared to roll those dice on a factory-installed version, but aftermarket? No way. Too complex of a system, to many things that could go wrong, too expensive if they do.
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Re: [texases] by gagrice
Jul 31, 2008 (6:23 am)

Replying to: texases (Jul 31, 2008 5:45 am)

Plus it will void the major items under warranty. Don't plan on the conversion place to cover a $10,000 HSD system that is damaged etc. I am sure it would free Toyota from any responsibility on the traction battery. Another $5k if it croaks. After market PHEV are for the wealthy Greenie with money to throw away.
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Re: [gagrice] by tpe
Aug 03, 2008 (3:57 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 31, 2008 6:23 am)

You dissenters make valid points but at least recognize the direction things are going. If plug-in technology can prove it's reliability and reduce it's price premium then it becomes a no-brainer. I don't blame people for wanting to stay on the sidelines for a few years. Personally I'm also watching from the sidelines but am definitely rooting for the EV's to prevail.
 
I read an article the other day regarding Toyota's battery plans. They are currently pursuing their own Li-ion battery packs for their hybrids. For obvious reasons they are holding off implementing these batteries until they feel confident in their safety and longevity. At the same time Toyota is also investing heavily in zinc/air battery technology. If this pans out it could potentially deliver 3X the energy density of the best Li-ion batteries.
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Re: [tpe] by gagrice
Aug 04, 2008 (5:26 am)

Replying to: tpe (Aug 03, 2008 3:57 pm)

I would buy an EV if it was available. Not too interested in the PHEV. Just too much crap to go bad over the long haul. Several years ago I wanted a GEM in the worst way to beat out the oil companies. It was Government regulations that blocked me. They are only legal on roads posted 35 MPH and below. The Xebra was just not a well built vehicle for the $12k price tag. Now GEM is importing the ACE and I would consider one of those. I think the regulators will do everything in their power to block EVs.
 
Tata and Chrysler sign deal to import electric Ace
 
Chrysler's Global Electric Motorcars division (GEM) is working with Tata to import fully-assembled vehicles that meet all the appropriate U.S. regulations. The battery-operated Ace has successfully navigated the required safety tests, and they're reportedly ready for production. Tata wants to eventually export up to 50,000 vehicles to the US, but they've pegged the goal for 2008 at 10,000 units. This is definitely the year to keep an eye on Tata.
 

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