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Re: How about a Plug-in Diesel Sprinter? [larsb] by reddroverr
Mar 27, 2007 (11:58 am)

Replying to: larsb (Mar 27, 2007 5:41 am)

Thanks, larsb. That is great!
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It would be great to have. by fordenvy
Mar 29, 2007 (5:28 pm)
0 emissions for the commuter, that is if your under nuclear power such as I am. I hope it works, because if somehow the shipment of oil happens to be halted by the middle-east, then our economy will still be able to function, on top of that we can save the world to those that think that, my opinion is that its too late to save the world. I've got a start on being independent of oil, if oil gets halted then I have a flex-fuel Explorer with E-85 a couple of miles away.
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It would be great to have. by fordenvy
Mar 29, 2007 (5:27 pm)
0 emissions for the commuter, that is if your under nuclear power such as I am. I hope it works, because if somehow the shipment of oil happens to be halted by the middle-east, then our economy will still be able to function, on top of that we can save the world to those that think that, my opinion is that its too late to save the world. I've got a start on being independent of oil, if oil gets halted then I have a flex-fuel Explorer with E-85 a couple of miles away.
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School Buses before Toyota can do it? Are we in the Twilight Zone here? by larsb
Apr 02, 2007 (9:03 am)
How can a school bus manufacturer beat Toyota to the draw with a usable, production plug-in hybrid?
 
This kinda irritates me. But at least SOMEONE is doing it !!!
Buses go green
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Re: It would be great to have. [fordenvy] by reddroverr
Apr 02, 2007 (11:56 am)

Replying to: fordenvy (Mar 29, 2007 5:27 pm)

I suspect that if a doomsday oil scenario takes place anytime soon, a bicycle will be a lot more help than an E85 vehicle.
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Re: It would be great to have. [reddroverr] by tpe
Apr 02, 2007 (2:28 pm)

Replying to: reddroverr (Apr 02, 2007 11:56 am)

I don't think that E85 has much of a future in terms of being a viable way to reduce oil consumption. What concerns me is that it might achieve immortality like a lot of other government programs. By that I mean that even though we may all agree its a boondoggle there may be too much money and too many votes involved in abandoning it.
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Re: It would be great to have. [reddroverr] by fordenvy
Apr 02, 2007 (7:28 pm)

Replying to: reddroverr (Apr 02, 2007 11:56 am)

I definately agree, that E85 is a political stunt. I'm not counting on E85 either but you never know. I like the idea of PHEV's, as being our way out of this mess. I am already in shape to ride my bike I think. I've done about 40 miles in the few weeks its been warm already, the only problem is that one round trip a day for me is 40 miles in a vehicle, I wish things weren't so far apart where you have to have a vehicle. Kinda like the UK where everything is pretty close to each other.
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Re: It would be great to have. [fordenvy] by roland3
Apr 03, 2007 (4:16 am)

Replying to: fordenvy (Apr 02, 2007 7:28 pm)

... One thing I've been seeing that does not make sense is why are so many clamoring for a reduction in the import tax for ethanol. I an not a lobbyist for the American farmer, I just don't like the idea of transporting this fluid three or more thousand miles. We need a Manhatten Project battery.
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Re: It would be great to have. [roland3] by reddroverr
Apr 05, 2007 (7:13 pm)

Replying to: roland3 (Apr 03, 2007 4:16 am)

I have no problem letting go of the import tax on ethanol. They can make it cheaper, so be it. I would much rather have my fuel dollars going to the people who gave us the thong,,than to those who gave us the burka.
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Re: School Buses before Toyota can do it? Are we in the Twilight Zone here by jdkahler
Apr 08, 2007 (10:37 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Apr 02, 2007 9:03 am)

Would be interesting to see what routes the schools plan to use these on, I suspect if we all drove our cars the way school buses are driven it would be easier for Toyota and/or others to come up with a plug in faster. Think a couple of things - stop and go routes for a relatively short use period each day, and pretty much the same use period/distance/route each day - that's the life of any bus. And buses are big enough to hold a lot more batteries than any car. Note that the article mentions all electric and CNG buses - there are some CNG experimentals (most used by gas companies I suspect, that's who runs a couple around here) but no all-electric cars available for purchase in showrooms today.
 
The explanation from Toyota engineers on why no plugin cars yet has to do with size/weight/storage of batteries and the way we drive our vehicles compared to the technology they have available today, and I suspect few of us drive our cars the way school buses are used. I also suspect that fleet managers will have to manage their fleet usage to make sure these buses make sense for their districts, and within them which routes make sense vs straight diesel or gasoline power. Not an apples to apples comparison.

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