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#92 of 418 Re: Hybrid demographics, per JD Powers.................. [daysailer]
Oct 30, 2006 (6:52 am)
A lot of techno-geeks are making under $50k a year. That is who the hybrids were sold to in 2003. That was the Prius II coming out period. You could still get a HCH under $20k I believe. The other 2/3rds are probably engineers that would be in the $100k+ bracket. That would bring the average up to what Toyota claims is an $85k per year demographic.
I don't think any of those $50k per year households will be buying the latest from Toyota. The LS600h at over $100k.
#93 of 418 I would thnk that "techno geeks"................
Oct 30, 2006 (11:02 am)
are predominantly among the 56% who are college granduates and to therefore have a rudimentary understanding of economics. If they are also among the <$50K/annum income group, they will need economic wizzardry to be buyers of the current hybrids.
#94 of 418 Re: I would thnk that "techno geeks"................ [daysailer]
Oct 30, 2006 (11:47 am)
90% of car buyers don't choose logically. Look at the car sales figures...you might think logically, and buy what you can afford, but MOST do not.
Employees of mine making far less than $50K per year are driving brand new, Maxima's, Impala's, Avalon's and the like, top of the line models, leather seats, and surely costing as much as, if not more than $25,000. Go figure.
#95 of 418 Apparently for some, ...................................
Oct 30, 2006 (12:04 pm)
hybrid payback, or any payback, is irrelevant!
#96 of 418 Re: I would thnk that "techno geeks"................ [terry92270]
Oct 30, 2006 (12:27 pm)
I think you have many people that are living at home with parents and spend all their money on a car. Then you have the group here in CA that figure they will never be able to afford a home so they spend all their cash on fancy cars. It does not make for a healthy economic climate. I don't think people are keeping cars as long as they used to either.
#97 of 418 Re: I would thnk that "techno geeks"................ [gagrice]
Oct 30, 2006 (12:47 pm)
We're drifting off topic, but I must say that IMO there is something tragically wrong if it is considered acceptable for an adult to be given a "free ride" by parrents while spending with wild abandon on cars (or anything else).
#98 of 418 Re: Quantitative Analysis [highender]
Oct 30, 2006 (12:53 pm)
You have recently arrived to the discussions so here is the very quick summary of what were common misconceptions about the Prius.
1) It is not comparable to the Corolla/Civic/Accent because it's bigger inside and has far more features than any of these others. Actually it is exactly the same size as the Jetta, both of which are in between the compact and midsized vehicles.
2) There is no non-hybrid counterpart to the Prius. To compare it you have to look at a lesser vehicle or a greater vehicle.
3) For basic transportation the Prius is not the right choice unless you want to drive the least polluting vehicle in mass production. A pre-owned vehicle is better for basic transportation.
4) Batteries: There was a huge thread on this subject all of last year. There is no need to replace them at any specified interval. They are expected to last the life of the vehicle ( new technology ). Therefore there is no cost to the owner.
5) The NiMH batteries are not in any way similar to the well-known lead-acid batteries in environmental concerns. In fact they have the footprint of a washing machine. The materials in them are non-toxic. But for good PR and to ensure proper disposal/recycling Toyota will pay a $200 bounty for every returned battery pack.
Those are the reasons why you are wrong
#99 of 418 Well, I agree ...................................
Oct 30, 2006 (1:18 pm)
that items 1) & 2) are misconceptions.
#100 of 418 Re: I would thnk that "techno geeks"................ [gagrice]
Oct 30, 2006 (1:34 pm)
I am talking about twenty/30-somethings, some married with kids, most singles.
One, who is making $42,000, married, one kid, just bought a new Z. Was complaining about the damn payments, lol.
Many of them lease, and just turn it back in 36 months for another!
#101 of 418 Re: Quantitative Analysis [kdhspyder]
Oct 30, 2006 (1:36 pm)
For matters of comparison, cars of nearly equal size and weight have always been compared. No matter the "features".