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Replying to: texases (Jul 01, 2008 1:32 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 02, 2008 7:49 am) There is NO future for a gas-only midsizer that 'only' gets high 20's in FE. First it would never sell in the world of $6 or $7 or $8 fuel.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2008 12:41 pm) When Toyota came out with the new 08 HH in Oct it was WAY WAY more expensive than the prior model. Too it only offered a 4WD option not a less expensive FWD option. This added $2500 to the already high price. To me they were saying .... 'Only for the ones who really want one'.... Another way of interpreting it is that currency issues and limited battery capacity made the HH not so attractive as a high volume model. It's there if one really wants it... and lots do. The few being shipped don't last longer than 15-30 days in stock. This de-emphasis of the HH opens up battery capacity for the Prius and the TCH. Now about the full sized pickup hybrid, I too saw that but it's gone away. Since you are naturally the suspicious type..  try these two scenarios out. Toyota and Honda and Ford and now GM have all decided to make hybrids that do NOT compete against each other. None of them do. That's one reason why there is no RAV hybrid....there's an FEH out already. But Ford has no Edge hybrid....there's an HH out already. None of them make a full sized hybrid...except now GM. Coincidental that none of the hybrids compete directly against each other? I don't believe in coincidences in Big Business. I too remember the initial statements of 'yota on the Tundra hybrid......then nothing. Suddenly GM announces that it has the T2M and Y2M developed and ready for market. Daimler and BMW sign on board. I'm sure GM did all of the development work on this themselves. I'm also sure that 'yota did not [ahem] sell it's technology because it realized that unless GM was on board no one would ever buy a 'yota full-sized hybrid. But GM could sell the hell out of it. That's its strength. Nahhh that's way too out there. Big Business if so much fun when seen from a distance.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 03, 2008 4:16 pm) Hadn't thought of that, you may be right - too bad. Wonder if they would have some kind of agreement on that? |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 03, 2008 4:51 pm) It does make sense in the light of your prior example of the Sequoia and the 3 Corollas. Why have one HH on the lot for 30 days when you can move two Prii in two days? I just about choked when I saw the price on the HH while buying my Sequoia last October. I think it was $5k more than I paid for the Sequoia. It ain't as nice anyway you cut it, except at the pump. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 03, 2008 4:20 pm) What's it's competition? It doesn't have any as far as I can tell. If the reports of the next generation Priuses are correct then that will no longer be the case.
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Replying to: tpe (Jul 07, 2008 5:52 am) Originally, the Honda Accord Hybrid was in the game too. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 07, 2008 8:03 am) Originally, the Honda Accord Hybrid was in the game too. " True, for size, but none get/got the mpgs. I'll be looking for whatever Toyotas making in about a year in that size range. The Prius is too tight (narrow) for my needs, and I'll forgo that last 10 mpg for better performance.
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Replying to: texases (Jul 07, 2008 8:05 am) For City driving that's completely true. For Highway driving, it's almost a wash: SAH: 32 TCH: 34 HAH: 31 And the HAH was a 6-cylinder.
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 07, 2008 8:35 am) You're correct, of course. I'd only be getting it to use for commuting, 90% of my driving, so I don't pay much attention to the highway mpgs. |
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