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I save on my 2003 HCH by getting 60+ mpg drivin smart, little brake wear, less oil changes with factory recommended 10,000 miles and less time stopped at gas stations. The cleaner air doesn't pay me directly but is precious, the reduced imported terrorist oil for oil changes and gas fill ups is priceless. The encouragement to Honda to make EVen better hybrids is paying for Everyone. Each new model gets better. Just like PCs and Cell phones we will soon get 100+ mpg and never need oil changes. Whats the payback on big fancy RIMS ? On leather seats ? On a monster sterio on a fancy paint job etc. Hybrid really pay off every mile. |
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You have missed the point. If there is a hybrid and a non-hybrid model the payback between the two in gas savings alone is over 100,000 miles. If you are buying a hybrid for TCO then the payback just isn't there. Read the other discussions in the hybrid fourms. It has already been discussed and rediscussed ad infinitum. When you are looking at payback you need to make sure what you are comparing  And I agree there really is no payback on big fancy RIMS or leather either but what is the payback difference between a hybrid and an ICE both with leather and both with big fancy RIMS ? The payback vaiable under considertion (normally) is the cost savings between a Hybrid and a gas only(ICE) with the EXACT same features? Otherwise why not compare the savings on a Mercedes CDI compared to a Corolla to a Lotus Elise ? However, if you are a "green weenie" the hybrids have less emissions and that is the way to go, even though right now it is like spitting in the ocean. Cheers, MidCow
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Last night's episode tooled on hybrid owners...very funny. Cities that went to hybrids replaced their cloud of smog with a cloud of smug.
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Replying to: ny1911 (Apr 03, 2006 12:07 pm) Cheers, MidCow
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Apr 03, 2006 11:06 am) I consider myself green - in fact I am carless by choice. But I have always been skeptical of hybrids. I wonder if you saw the articles on research done by CNW Marketing, of Oregon. CNW set up a green energy scale that considers such factors as energy used to make the vehicle, energy to run and maintain the vehicle, and energy to recylce the vehicle. As it happens, the number one vehicle is a Toyota, but not the one hybrid denziens would expect. Indeed, the Scion XB won out, not the Prius. Some other interesting tidbits: the Accord hybrid is more energy expensive than the standard Accord. The lighter weight metals and the recylcing costs of batteries pushed it over the scale. The energy cost of working light weight metals cannot be overlooked. The new Honda Civic, with all its aluminum alloys actually will use more energy in its life time than the Hummer H3, which is primarily composed of heavy - but energy cheap - steel. I suppose the one trade off from a solely US point of view would be that the Japanese are the ones using the energy to make the hybrids. True greens should think beyond their borders, however.
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Apr 03, 2006 12:13 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Apr 03, 2006 1:58 pm) "I consider myself green - in fact I am carless by choice. But I have always been skeptical of hybrids. " So the real question, if you are truly GREEN, do you mow your lawn and grass borders with a non-gas push mower ? LOL "carless by choice on an auto forum??", MidCow
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Apr 04, 2006 5:07 am) What green space is attached to my residence is all short growth native species that needs neither cutting, fertilizer, nor watering. LOL "carless by choice on an auto forum??" I am interested in all forms of transportation. As it happens, bike forums get cluttered with parts geeks and fanatics who cannot accept for the time being at least that bikes share the roads with cars. They tend to be tedious. The few mass transit forums there are can be good fun.
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Replying to: logic1 (Apr 04, 2006 5:13 am) Ride-on, MidCow
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