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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 15, 2006 6:07 am) Regardless of that those bans are in effect, which means nearly 25% of the population cannot buy them. Its also my understanding the the new requirements for diesel fuel means that new diesels (2007 MY and on) need to be redone and would cost more. Thats one of the reasons VW is not selling diesels for the 2007 MY.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jun 15, 2006 6:34 am) VW is currently using other fuel delivery systems, one of which is "pumpe deuse" (spelling?), abv. PD, Eng. trans. pump nozzle. The VW fuel systems presumably had certain relative advantages over common rail, but it has turned out that common rail allows much better management of tail pipe emissions especially NOx and particulate matter. VW could not meet the emissions requirements without changing to common rail. But overwhelmingly VW diesel buyers don't care if their vehicle pollutes more than a Mercedes diesel; they want a diesel. The regs evidently allow VW to continue to sell 2006 models in what would ordinarily be the 2007 model year if the 2006's were imported before a certain date. So VW is increasing its inventory of 2006 diesels so it can continue to seel them throughout the 2007 model year. |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 15, 2006 4:43 am) And VW is extending the build cycle through the end of the year. They anticipate supply of the '06 models through next spring. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 15, 2006 6:07 am) Really? Then how do you explain this from their own website? Ethanol is a liquid alcohol fuel produced from biomass (which consists of trees, grasses and wastes), grain or agricultural waste. For cars and other light-duty vehicles, ethanol is typically sold as E85, a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. Ethanol produces lower emissions of ozone-forming compounds and toxic air pollutants. JOHN
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jun 15, 2006 5:23 am) This has been true for decades, yet diesel remains a very small part of the US market. Perhaps this mileage benefit would be more appealing if fuel prices were higher, but demand is obviously very low now. Diesel proponents have been pounding this drum for years, but clearly, consumers don't agree or care. The problem with diesel is government intervention. Actually, it's the opposite -- it's the lack of government intervention that has allowed gas to remain most popular in the US. Europeans buy diesels in large part because the fuel is much cheaper than gas. This price advantage exists because of their higher fuel taxes on gas, and lower fuel taxes on diesel. Their governments have intervened to encourage the use of diesel, rather than gas. Yet even with this advantage, diesels are still the less popular of the two fuels. One dollar per gallon just isn't enough of a benefit even for many Europeans.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jun 15, 2006 5:25 am) You can thank the airheads in DC for that. Amen to that...CA led the charge to ban all new diesel autos...does the ban also knock out the large pickup truck models?
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jun 15, 2006 6:34 am) Actually the current VW diesel engines run great on ULSD. It has been available at ARCO stations for a couple years in CA. the engines were developed for low sulfur diesel. Most of the problems people had with the VW and the Liberty diesel was related to crappy diesel. The reason for the change is the new regulations that are going into affect for 2007 are much stricter for both gas and diesel engines. Cars that now pass the SULEV II standard will be OK, all others will have to match that from what I am reading. Not sure how engines running on E85 will fare. |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 15, 2006 8:11 am) They are still protected property. It does not make sense to allow a big PU with diesel and not a smaller diesel PU that would be adequate to do the job. We could cut emissions and fuel usage. That is our EPA/CARB mentality at its finest. Same regulations that allowed the $100k deduction on the BIG vehicles a couple years ago. |
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Replying to: splatsterhound (Jun 14, 2006 7:31 pm) |
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Replying to: socala4 (Jun 15, 2006 7:24 am) Again the lack of diesel engines on the road has far more do with government interference than the market place. If state governments didn't lock out 25% of the market to diesel engines and the Federal government didn't play their emission games then you would see a lot more diesels out the today.
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