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Replying to: tpe (Jun 08, 2006 1:59 pm) Um, since we import roughly 10M bbl/day, production of 1M bbls/day would be somewhere around 10%, not 3%. Besides, if 1 Million bbls/day of crude oil production doesn't help with making us more independant of foreign oil, I fail to see how producing the ethanol equivalent to a quarter of that helps.
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Replying to: rorr (Jun 08, 2006 2:08 pm) I'm just telling you what I've read. I agree that the numbers don't seem to make sense. I suspect that part of the discrepancy is due to a projection that in 20 years we will be consuming closer to 30 million barrels of oil a day as opposed to the 21 million barrels we are currently consuming. It might also have something to do with oil companies tapping those wells that are cheapest. So ANWR could potentially displace a small percentage of domestic producers. Like I said, I don't know. Regardless, we are in agreement when it comes to this ethanol boondoggle.
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Replying to: tpe (Jun 08, 2006 3:19 pm) An interesting side note. Everyone has their shorts in a knot over that pipe splitting and dumping oil on the tundra. Don't they know that is how the Navy found that oil existed in the Arctic. It is laying in huge pools on the tundra. Course you can't sue God for leaving it there. So go after the oil company. A case of environmentalism going too far. |
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Replying to: tpe (Jun 08, 2006 12:47 pm) I know that there are a lot of ethanol refineries currently being built and I've got to imagine a lot of farmers are expanding they're operation to produce more corn. According to the USDA, corn plantings are down 5 percent this year because of the skyrocketing costs of natural gas, which is used to make nitrate fertilizer. |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 08, 2006 10:40 am) |
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Replying to: fireball1 (Jun 08, 2006 7:44 pm) I don't see how a farmer can make any money at $2 a bushel. We were getting close to $3 in 1977-79 and going broke at that. Of course Carter had interest up near 20%. You could not borrow any money to get your crop in. It was a horrible time for farmers. With irrigated land in the Midwest you are very lucky to get 225 bushels to the acre. That is a $450 per acre crop in a good year. Not enough for me to go back to my farm.
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Replying to: fireball1 (Jun 08, 2006 7:44 pm) That may be the case right now because we still grow a huge surplus of corn that gets exported. If ethanol production triples by 2015, which is projected, there will no longer be a surplus without expanding corn production. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 08, 2006 8:22 pm) According to the Corn Refiners Association (at www.corn.org) the average US yield is 160.4 bushels/acre with Washington state having the highest per acre yield at 200 bushels/acre. |
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Replying to: tpe (Jun 09, 2006 4:56 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 09, 2006 5:18 am) THE REAL WORLD TODAY...NOW! I traveled 300 miles yesterday on E10 (NOW) and my mileage was 33MPG on my Accord I4..."Its a fact jack!" If I wasn't traveling 65-75 MPH maybe my mileage would be better. I also traveled from Iowa to upstate New York last month. Initial Iowa fillup got me 35MPG...filling up in Indiana got me 36MPG. To me and most E10 users, mileage differences are either non-exstant or irrelevant as E10 is a cheaper fuel than straight gasoline. The days of trying to kill all alternate fuels by demogogery are over. Implementation of E85 and E10 are here...not instantly as many people want but using a renewable source of energy is not rocket science or future-think but are practical solutions NOW. Gee, corn made ethanol has an octane rating of 100-110 and it is potable and drinkable...with no harm to the environment and generates less CO2 than straight gasoline. By the way, corn is not grown with any irrigation methods in the midwest...just another myth and falsehood. Hydrogen would be the answer if the monumental infrastructure and safety problems could ever be solved for mass production, but not apparently anytime soon. Ethanol is usable (E10) in any auto right NOW and E85 capable autos will gain another million vehicles this year. All-in-all ethanol is safe, environmentally harmless and just fits our life styles. Use it or don't that is the choice of auto owners. There are many on this forum who are thoughtful and ask meaningful insightful questions. I try to post articles that contain facts about Ethanol and the pros and cons of this fuel. Ethanol right now is a Midwest developed fuel (and a Southern drinkable corn squeezin I might add) and it is starting to be additionally developed by Eastern and Southern states, granted a totally different environment from our bleak and lifeless environments of the Far West mountains/deserts. As an example, CA is dead set against any type of ethanol according to her US senators...so be it, it is not and will not (probably should not) be available in all parts of the country. There will be other solutions for renewable energy sources in other parts of our country. The priority is to get weaned from oil cartel dictators -- the days of $30-$60 a barrel oil are GONE FOREVER. China, India and other third world countries need the energy that oil provides more than we do. Renewable energy is a national presidential priority and a personal priority. I fish at our local nuclear power plant reservoir...a beautiful park-like setting. I see wind farms generating electricity as I drive through Eastern Iowa -- hmm another power source for distilling ethanol. I see some local Buffalo grazing on prairie grass which is similar to switch-grass, I drive with E10 89 octane in my, gas tank...10 cents a gallon cheaper than straight 87 octane gasoline -- screw the oil cartel for 10% of my auto energy needs. Using "Pinochio Logic" (myths and falsehoods) to try to bait those of us here in the United States and intentionally foster anti-american hatred, would be hilarious if we were not so serious. Hatred of the United States' institutions, companies, government and hatred of our ideals and democratic ways, to me, are the property of the Islamic terrorists in Guantanamo Bay, Canada, United Kingdom, Iraq, Iran and the oil cartel dictators -- but not exclusively. We must guard against them as we prepare a national goa; of enrgy independence.
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