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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 06, 2006 6:52 am) Well that's fine and dandy but raising corn for ethanol won't do it. Have you read the extensive article on ethanol in the latest (July) issue of Car and Driver? |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 06, 2006 6:52 am) I truly admire the enthusiasm and passion you have for ethanol and E85 as an alternative fuel. You also have a deep desire to rid the US of oil dependence from other countries as I’m sure most of us do. If you really want to eliminate our need for imported oil you would have the same enthusiasm for bio diesel as you do ethanol and I don’t see that. Have you written your Congressman or woman asking why more has not been done to promote diesel and bio diesel passenger cars? I have. Have you written your Congressman or woman asking why Congress, the President and the US auto makers are pushing ethanol and ignoring bio diesel and in fact legislating some of the most fuel efficient diesels off the market? I have. I got back a form letter, but at least I did something and it’s on record. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but with such single, narrow focus on ethanol, I can’t help but feel your enthusiasm is self serving.
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Replying to: jim314 (Jun 02, 2006 5:52 am) |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 06, 2006 6:52 am) Actually I'm reading that automakers like Honda and BMW are going to be introducing hydrogen vehicles way ahead of schedule. Maybe in 3-4 years. If ethanol's viability is based on large government subsidies I think the idea of practicality goes out the window. Electric vehicles have already been proven. They may only have a limited range but it is more than adequate for the vast majority of commuters. So the main problem is the expensive battery pack that adds $10k or more to the price of the vehicle. No problem. Let the government subsidize this amount and, voila, its practical. |
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 06, 2006 7:40 am) There is a Biodiesel plant being built about 20-30 miles south of here. The problem with biodiesel is the same as for Ethanol...where do we get enough raw material? States like California will never accept Ethanol or Biodiesel...too bad! I am not on any Ethanol bandwagon except it is a renewable resource available to us now and can be used in 12 million autos today, not tomorrow. Both Ethanol and Biodiesel are proven to be winners today and do cut down on our imported oil usage. We will evolve solutions over time, there is an E95 solution to the diesel problem right now, but nobody is building any plants. Diesels will be used in passenger autos more and more. However, Ethanol can be used today in today's gasoline engines where biodiesel can only be used in a major way in our diesel trucks. South America, Venezuela and Bolivia, have openly espoused their hatred of the USA getting their oil and of course Iran has generated this kind of hatred for many years. |
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Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 06, 2006 10:56 am) I've read there are only 500 filling stations that sell E85 and they are primarily located in the midwest. So for most of the country the infrastructure does not exist and will require a large investment. There are more hydrogen fueling stations in Southern California than E85. The idea that a hydrogen fuel tank is as unsafe and explosive as a mixture of diesel and fertilizer is just bizarre. There are test fleets of these vehicles and buses being driven throughout the world and so far none have blown up. BTW, there aren't 12 million FFVs on the road, its 5 million and most of the drivers of them choose to fill up with regular gas.
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Replying to: tpe (Jun 06, 2006 2:53 pm)
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Replying to: fireball1 (Jun 06, 2006 3:45 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 06, 2006 7:03 am) I saw on TV the other day the commie Pres of Venezuela, Chaevez talking at a OPEC meeting. Even through I really hate them commies, he did have many logical points regarding OPEC and fossil fuels. And as been his agenda of slamming the "Imperial Empire" (USA) and still trying to find a way to shut off all fossil fuels to the USA and bring the USA to it's knees. (As quoted by him) Luckily the rest of the OPEC is still greedy for the $, or surely the USA would be shut out. ======================================================= It's only a matter of time till they will!
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Replying to: gem069 (Jun 06, 2006 4:49 pm) Venezuala's President enjoys playing Robin Hood with a seized oil company's (Citgo) revenue. His leftist practices are a fairly transparent effort to buy influence and support. He wouldn't be able to do this without oil money. If it wasn't for the US's demand for oil the revenue generated would be a fraction of what it currently is. All these anti-American oil producers are like the crack whore who complains about who she has to lie down with. They have no options.
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