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Re: got a question on ffv [mlbender] by jim314
Jun 02, 2006 (5:52 am)

Replying to: mlbender (Jun 01, 2006 6:36 pm)

What does this FF Chevy get city/hwy with E10? with regular not containing ethanol?
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Re: got a question on ffv [jim314] by seniorjose
Jun 03, 2006 (7:14 am)

Replying to: jim314 (Jun 02, 2006 5:52 am)

There seems to be no significant difference between 87 Octane - no Ethanol and 89 Octane - 10% Ethanol! For average driving there seems to be no difference, although someone can straighten me out if they wish. Remember, Ethanol is NOW!
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Re: Squeeze play for ethanol [gagrice] by seniorjose
Jun 03, 2006 (7:25 am)

Replying to: gagrice (May 30, 2006 5:23 am)

What happens when 10 years down the road we find out that this very corrosive ethanol is eating holes in the tanks of our nations service stations.
 
Chuckle...point of fact...steel service station tanks have been replaced with Fiberglass due to the corrosive effects of gasoline. Millions are being spent NOW to replace the steel tanks that pollute ground water.
 
One regular poster reported this morning that regular unleaded is selling at $2.39 in parts of Ohio. Will an Iowa farmer pay an extra $10 for every 100 miles he drives his PU truck to support Ethanol in his state?
 
Surprise!...Ohio gasoline is one of the lowest prices in the USA...must be the taxes...this has been the case for the last few years that I am aware of. $10 extra to drive 100 miles...??? Lunch time ...I'll bring the bread for the sandwich!
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Ethanol (E85) additions by seniorjose
Jun 03, 2006 (7:33 am)
Additional ways to help remove foreign control over oil imports is to economize:
 
1. Increase CAFE standards by at least 20%
2. Go back to the 55 MPH national speed standards.
3. Increase fines to discourage NASCAR wannbees ($10,000 fine and auto confiscation for speed over 100MPH).
4. Add $1,000 a year tax on new V8s and $500 tax on V6s.
 
...and the list goes on and on and on...!
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Re: Ethanol (E85) additions [seniorjose] by gagrice
Jun 03, 2006 (8:42 am)

Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 03, 2006 7:33 am)

Mostly agree, except maybe the 55 MPH. You would have to live in a congested place to realize the impact on commute times with 55 MPH. I think your HP tax should be based on a HP to weight ratio. It should be tied into each purchase at the speed shop as well. I think that saving fuel should be rewarded no matter what fuel you use. I have no problem with E10 as long as it is not mandated. If it can be produced on a local basis and added to the gas without raising the price like it has in CA. I say fine. If someone wants to run E85 in their car go for it. The one big plus I see is 99.9% of the FFV are from the Big 3.
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Re: got a question on ffv [seniorjose] by snakeweasel
Jun 03, 2006 (10:03 am)

Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 03, 2006 7:14 am)

There seems to be no significant difference between 87 Octane - no Ethanol and 89 Octane - 10% Ethanol!
 
Most drivers should see about 5% less mileage with E10. To me that is significant enough.
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Re: Ethanol (E85) additions [seniorjose] by snakeweasel
Jun 03, 2006 (10:10 am)

Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 03, 2006 7:33 am)

4. Add $1,000 a year tax on new V8s and $500 tax on V6s.
 
So a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder Subaru Legacy with an automatic transmission that gets worse mileage than a V6 Toyota Camry doesn't get hit with the tax while the more efficent V6 does?
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I agree with snake by catam
Jun 03, 2006 (11:16 am)
If you want to tax based on Engine size, HP, etc. use some commone sense. It would be much simpler to just tax based on EPA ratings. Draw some simple lines: ie >30 mpg no tax, 25 to 29 pay $500, 20-24 pay $1000, etc.
 
It makes no sense to me to tax a larger engine size if it more efficient.
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Re: I agree with snake [catam] by gagrice
Jun 03, 2006 (11:33 am)

Replying to: catam (Jun 03, 2006 11:16 am)

It makes no sense to me to tax a larger engine size if it more efficient.
 
We do that with gas tax. The more you use the more you pay. I think what you have in mind is similar to the CAFE regulations. How they got around it was removing large vehicles from the regs.
 
Efficiency would have to be based on weight to mileage ratio. A GM fullsize PU truck is 30% heavier than a Camry XLE V6. Yet the much lighter Camry only gets about 22% better mileage than the fullsize PU Truck. The 5.3L V8 in the PU truck is much more efficient than the 3.5L V6 in the Camry. Plus the Camry has a much better drag coefficient.
 
So how many years before Toyota offers a Flex fuel Camry?
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Re: got a question on ffv [seniorjose] by jim314
Jun 03, 2006 (1:09 pm)

Replying to: seniorjose (Jun 03, 2006 7:14 am)

What is the octane rating of E85? If it's higher than regular gasoline, do the GM FFVs take advantage of the higher octane by say advancing the timing or any other means to increase efficiency? Or is it the case that the GM and other FFVs allow merely the engine to use E85?

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