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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 29, 2006 9:04 am) Destroy those vehicles already on the road, rather than just setting that higher standard for new ones. Really? Who are these extremists you are talking about? I've been called that before, even though PZEV is cleaner than SULEV and it was in reference to a minimum for new vehicles. Explain this stereotype you claim to exist. Perhaps it can shed some light on the resistance to ethanol in any percentange. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Mar 29, 2006 10:04 am) By setting unrealistic emissions standards, it raises the price of new cars to where older cars are kept on the roads longer. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and I, that can buy a new car whenever the notion strikes us. I would estimate with a strong degree of confidence, that 75% of all Toyotas sold in the USA two years ago were rated LEV or lower. That is a 0-3 EPA rating. Only a very small percentage of Toyotas sold in 2004 and prior were ULEV or higher. The cost per vehicle to raise the standard from ULEV to SULEV is very high. No wonder cars cost so much. With each added emissions device comes a decrease in FE. The benefit of going from ULEV to SULEV is less than one pound of pollution per 15k miles of driving. We have reached to point of diminishing returns on emissions. A car that has a LEV rating is very clean compared to any 10 year old car. We need to get "REAL" call LEV good and get on with finding solutions to our diminishing fossil fuel supply. Maybe E10 is better for the environment. Is it worth the loss of fuel efficiency? |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Mar 29, 2006 8:29 am) That is far from a slam dunk solution also. They are going to have to do some major changes in battery technology for plug-in hybrids to ever be mainstream.
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 29, 2006 12:13 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Mar 28, 2006 2:14 pm) The Clark station, know it. There isn't a Gas City by me; there is one near where I used to work in Lombard - I think it's named something else now. But other than that, E85 is scarce here. There were a couple of stations long ago, in Hickory and Palos Hills that had an E85 pump, but they're gone. Even then that's kind of a drive to get to.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Mar 28, 2006 4:42 pm) Unfortunately not enough up to yesterday as I paid $2.42/gal or so for regular for the past month. Yesterday I filled up  $2.49 - was lucky as most of the stations were $2.65 or more. Again, I would have to drive a bit to get to an E85 station. Add in the distance, reduced mileage, the extra consumption and it really is not economical for me.
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Replying to: jae5 (Mar 29, 2006 2:15 pm) IIRC there are two stations in the city, one each in Evanston, Des Plaines, Lombard, Aurora, Romeoville, Naperville, Arlington hieghts, Batavia, Mount Prospect, Orland Park, New Lenox, Willow Springs, Villa Park and a couple of other places near the city. While there not everywhere they can be gotten to with a minor detour for most drives in and around Chicago. Yes if you just stay around in the city it would be hard to get to one, but if you drive around the burbs you can usually be somewhat close to one.
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Replying to: jae5 (Mar 29, 2006 2:22 pm) I would say that even if you had a pump in your driveway its not economical for anyone. |
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Replying to: john1701a (Mar 29, 2006 6:31 am) ...you haven't provided any reason not to use coal gasification technology. If diesel isn't your cup of tea, then the coal is processed into gasoline. Every ton of coal processed is just that much less money we give to terror-loving nations of the mideast. Or to certifiable lunatics in South America (Venezuala). |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Mar 29, 2006 8:29 am) I'm not trying to start anything, I just think we could produce a lot more corn than we do now. |
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