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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 19, 2006 4:03 pm) A move by the nation's largest product-safety laboratory to remove its approval of ethanol fuel pumps has frozen the rollout of new ethanol stations and cast doubt on the legal status of the roughly 1,000 stations already selling E85 fuel. Without certification from Underwriters Laboratories, the company that tests thousands of products for safety and manages the "UL" symbol, state officials and ethanol industry executives say E85 pumps may run afoul of state and local fire codes that require "listed" equipment for pumping fuel. A fire marshal in Columbus, Ohio, ordered two E85 pumps shut down last week because of a lack of UL approval and Michigan officials are wrestling with the question as well. Mark Griffin, president of the Michigan Petroleum Association, which represents 1,500 stores, said state officials were still wrestling with the question of whether the pumps at Michigan's 26 E85 stations still met state standards, and new pumps wouldn't be available until UL clears up the confusion, which "could be a matter of weeks. It could be months or years." "Somebody asked whether this thing is heading toward a train wreck," Griffin said. "Well, I don't know." In a statement, UL said it had no reports of problems with E85 systems, but withdrew its certification due to concerns about how ethanol can corrode parts of the fueling system. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 19, 2006 4:48 pm)  Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 19, 2006 4:51 pm) Keep reading and posting interesting auto stuff.
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 19, 2006 4:58 pm) Will do my best when time permits. Rocky |
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Replying to: kw5kw (Oct 19, 2006 10:33 am) You might better explain that to Indonesia, where the forest fires are making it impossible for planes to land. You are proposing burning items that are carbon based and will produce a lot of CO2 and other pollutants, including ash.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 16, 2006 10:08 am) Again, there are things about an EV that I really don't like and need these things figured out and presented in an all-around manner. Meaning, just don't give me the good, give me the con as well. Myself and others would be more accepting of it if alternatives were presented in that manner. |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Oct 19, 2006 6:49 pm)
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Replying to: kw5kw (Oct 20, 2006 10:57 am) What do you propose to do with the by products? |
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Replying to: kw5kw (Oct 20, 2006 10:57 am) We have that already. It's called the Internal Combustion Engine. And the efficiency (BTU's in the fuel converted to forward motion) is SUBSTANTIALLY higher than burning a fuel (whether it is gasoline, wood pulp, paper, or recycled cow farts) in a steam boiler (particularly if you are trying to have a boiler in a closed system driving a generator to produce on-board electricity to drive a motor). There's a big reason that locomotives converted from coal-burning steam power to big diesel electrics. It's called progress. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 19, 2006 4:48 pm) "Ethanol-only cars were sold in Brazil in significant numbers between 1980 and 1995; between 1983 and 1988, they accounted for over 90% of the sales." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil I have worked with another large standardization group called NSF. In general they, like UL, seem to do a decent job. However, I have noticed that as they have gotten larger they become bureaucratic and a bit self serving. Not saying this is the case with UL, but boy, the timing just seems a bit odd. In the end, I don't think it is going to make a big difference.
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