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I think it's kind of funny now in our area (near Hershey, PA) since the farmers are now harvesting all their corn, we are NOT hearing very much about E85 vehicles any more. We have only 1 station down in Lancaster that carriers it (the only station in ALL of Central PA), so there really is not that much of a demand even around the State Capital. Odie Odie's Carspace |
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such as steam power. Water is plentiful, and we now have the technology to be able to use plain recycled garbage (Magazines, newspapers, shredded documents that are processed with some sort of plastic covering that would burn very hot for example.) as fuel. With modern technology and materials we should be able to have a much higher pressures attained or attainable than in the previous endeavors with steam. Pollution would not be as great, as one item would only be water--pure water. The burnt items (newsprint, etc) would be basically recycled trees; i.e.: wood, another very natural fuel.) After all, nuclear powerplants operate by heat producing steam; steam which powers the submarines, aircraft carriers of our modern navy and...and steam powers the nuclear powerplants as well. It might not be as performance minded as we'd like, being accustomed to the high output of gasoline and slightly less of diesel, but it will still allow us to use the automobile for transportation, and not at some distant time in the future force us back into the mode of transportation that the human race had known for all of the centuries previous to the twentieth. 
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Replying to: kw5kw (Oct 19, 2006 10:33 am) Rocky |
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Stations may have to halt sales of fuel http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061019/BUSINESS01/610190316/10- 14/BUSINESS01 Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 19, 2006 4:03 pm) A move by the nation's largest product-safety laboratory to remove its approval of ethanol fuel pumps has frozen the rollout of new ethanol stations and cast doubt on the legal status of the roughly 1,000 stations already selling E85 fuel. Without certification from Underwriters Laboratories, the company that tests thousands of products for safety and manages the "UL" symbol, state officials and ethanol industry executives say E85 pumps may run afoul of state and local fire codes that require "listed" equipment for pumping fuel. A fire marshal in Columbus, Ohio, ordered two E85 pumps shut down last week because of a lack of UL approval and Michigan officials are wrestling with the question as well. Mark Griffin, president of the Michigan Petroleum Association, which represents 1,500 stores, said state officials were still wrestling with the question of whether the pumps at Michigan's 26 E85 stations still met state standards, and new pumps wouldn't be available until UL clears up the confusion, which "could be a matter of weeks. It could be months or years." "Somebody asked whether this thing is heading toward a train wreck," Griffin said. "Well, I don't know." In a statement, UL said it had no reports of problems with E85 systems, but withdrew its certification due to concerns about how ethanol can corrode parts of the fueling system. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 19, 2006 4:48 pm)  Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 19, 2006 4:51 pm) Keep reading and posting interesting auto stuff.
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 19, 2006 4:58 pm) Will do my best when time permits. Rocky |
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Replying to: kw5kw (Oct 19, 2006 10:33 am) You might better explain that to Indonesia, where the forest fires are making it impossible for planes to land. You are proposing burning items that are carbon based and will produce a lot of CO2 and other pollutants, including ash.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 16, 2006 10:08 am) Again, there are things about an EV that I really don't like and need these things figured out and presented in an all-around manner. Meaning, just don't give me the good, give me the con as well. Myself and others would be more accepting of it if alternatives were presented in that manner. |
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