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#2065 of 2104 Re: San Diego E85 Price [smatt11]
Oct 02, 2006 (10:08 am)
Even with a 17% reduction in mileage on my Taurus when using e85, e85 is cheaper.
According to the EPA it is a 26% reduction in mileage.
#2067 of 2104 E85 still NO bargain
Oct 12, 2006 (5:15 am)
Scanning through the E85 website the best price I found was $1.62 in Sioux Falls. Unleaded can be had for $2.04. That is the best price for ethanol. It still is a loser for the guy buying a flex fuel vehicle.
#2068 of 2104 E15 shows loss of mileage
Oct 12, 2006 (5:17 am)
For Dan Norte, deciding where to fuel up his Ford F150 pickup is not always as simple as scanning pump prices. When he heads to Iowa to see family, the synthetic-oil dealer from Owatonna, Minn., burns an 87-octane Minnesota-mandated gasoline blend that is 10 percent corn-based ethanol. It costs about the same as comparable-grade gasoline.
For the trip back he has a 15-percent option, an Iowa blend rated at 89 octane that can be up to a nickel a gallon cheaper. But Mr. Norte has figured out that his savings would probably be erased by lost m.p.g. from the faster-burning fuel.
Oct 13, 2006 (11:07 am)
I love how the car manufacturers and mid america has duped US consumers into even considering ethenol. Yeah let's spend Billions into useless crap when we have the next generation energy source under our nose. That's right, u fools. It's called electricity. We already have the distribution network. We already have the battery technology. We already have the cars. What we need to do is make the d*mn lazy car manufacturer's into building a plug-in hybrids and add little more battery into the car. If a enough battery can be used to make the car run 40-50 miles per charge, we would eliminate 90% of oil use for cars today. Oil engine will be used mostly for longer travel, and would kick in when battery dies. If the govt instead gave tax credits for extra batteries, we would be there tomorrow.
But, it'll never happen. Why? Because US consumers are stupid. We can't think outside of the box. How can we live without gas stations? Plug the car in at home or at work? No way! Here's more CO into the air until we learn the hard lesson.
#2070 of 2104 Drive or eat
Oct 13, 2006 (12:59 pm)
Ethanol might be a good deal if your a futures trader, maybe not so good if you like to eat.
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Corn futures closed higher for a third session in a row Friday, with their benchmark contract reaching a fresh record level and gaining 16% for the week as traders fretted over tighter supplies of the commodity.
Corn for December delivery closed up 16 1/4 cents at $3.145 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade after reaching a high of $3.17. The contract has never closed or traded at levels this high before.
The contract finished the day over 43 cents above last Friday's close of $2.71.
#2071 of 2104 wannabee mensans smarter than US consumer / 1.62 vs 2.47
Oct 13, 2006 (2:19 pm)
1.62 for E85 sounds ok compared to the 2.49 i'm paying for diesel. but diesel is still a win with 44 mpg. what would that 1.62 be if there were no subsidies? one of my ethanol-stooge midwestern aggie pals says the subsidies have expired. anyhoo:
1.62/2.49 * 44 = 28 mpg for the equivalent cost/mile with E85. maybe a scooter could get 28 mpg on E85 but not a real car!
#2072 of 2104 Re: Stupid US Consumers.. [tiredofterror]
Oct 13, 2006 (5:01 pm)
I don't think that many people have been duped. Ethanol becomes a viable, if limited, option as oil prices rise.
Plug-in hybrids will be an option as the tech gets more mainstream. The manufacturers are still getting comfortable with the hybrid tech. These things take time.
I really don't think we will be there tomorrow or next year for that matter. Where are you going to get the raw material needed for 1 million, 10 million or 20 million sets of batteries a year? You just don't go down to the local wally-mart to order a few million batteries. Toyota has already said that lack of batteries is holding back sales of their hybrids.
"Explosive growth in the number of hybrid gas/electric vehicles manufactured and sold in coming years may strain makers of the expensive battery packs that help power them."
Cold weather is a battery killer. Up here in the North Country you are going to have a hard time convincing people to use a battery based vehicle when the temp drops to the point where your nose hairs freeze and the snow makes a cool crunching sound when you walk on it. It takes a lot of energy to keep the windows frost free, the car toasty warm and the 300 watt stereo cranking
I also wonder what kind of strain all those battery powered cars will put on the power grid. I suspect that some electric grids (California) are at or near capacity on hot days. Maybe someone out there can do the math to see what the additional load would be on the power grid?
E85, and ethanol production in general, is making a big difference in the midwest. Jobs, Jobs and Jobs!
#2073 of 2104 Re: Stupid US Consumers.. [avalon02wh]
Oct 13, 2006 (5:20 pm)
I suspect that some electric grids (California) are at or near capacity on hot days.
I think the general consensus is most cars with plug in capability will be plugged in at night when the demand is the lowest. Kind of balance out the usage.
I am sure the ethanol boondoggle has created jobs in the Midwest. At the expense of the rest of us. Little or no redeeming value to ethanol. PLUS it is pushing us to a much bigger environmental mess with the added corn production.
#2074 of 2104 Re: Drive or eat [jkinzel]
Oct 13, 2006 (5:30 pm)
"Ethanol might be a good deal if your a futures trader, maybe not so good if you like to eat. "
Actually, things are not that simple. The bulk of corn production is used for feed/residual (56%) and export (18%). Not that much percentage wise is used in food products.
"Distillerís grains plus solubles (DGS) is a feed co-product produced in wet and dry forms as a result of ethanol production. ...
Beef cattle are typically maintained on forage diets, which may require protein, energy and phosphorus supplementation. Most forage protein is degraded in the rumen therefore cattle also require undegraded protein supplementation. Distillerís grains plus solubles provides undegraded protein and phosphorus in a high-energy supplement that will not depress forage digestion due to its low starch content."
Since a lot of the anti-E85 people do not want to see corn used for fuel, should we also convert the tobacco farms to food crops? That would lower food prices, right?