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Replying to: rorr (Sep 11, 2006 12:48 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Sep 11, 2006 12:54 pm) Of course, even with 'only' two hp, I'm sure the torque figures are nothing to sneeze at. Problem is, the engine probably doesn't breathe too good at high rpm. And I don't think a 4" exhaust tip would help things one iota.... 
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link title Honda has at least figured out the production problem. Converting corn and sugarcane into ethanol yielded little fuel given the amount of raw material used, and it also saps food stocks. The new method uses inedible and discarded plant material and is vastly more efficient. Honda is planning to produce an ethanol-capable vehicle for the Brazilian market, but major U.S. automakers like Ford and General Motors already have hundreds of thousands of flex-fuel vehicles on the road now that can run on either ethanol or gasoline.
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 15, 2006 7:40 am) Honda will set up an experiment plant to further develop the basic technology over the next few year, said Tomohiko Kawanabe, a Senior Managing Director at Honda R&D Co. RITE was established in 1990 as a joint venture by the Japanese government and private firms to conduct fundamental research on technology to fight global warming. Honda experiments with ethanol |
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Just drove past the only station in CA that sells E85. It was $3.30 per gallon. B20 biodiesel was $2.99. Unleaded regular is $2.59. Good thing they are Flex Fuel vehicles or you would be in trouble if you had an ethanol only car like many were during the last ethanol boom in Brazil.
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According to usa today, there are 6 million Flex fuel vehicles with 970 stations across the country. In the beginning of the year, there were only 600. Reaching 1000 stations will be a big milestone.
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Replying to: yerth10 (Sep 22, 2006 6:46 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 20, 2006 12:21 pm) That is too bad about the prices in CA, in St. Cloud MN, gas is $2.15 and E85 was $1.64. Even with a 17% reduction in mileage on my Taurus when using e85, e85 is cheaper. But California is probably the worst example you could give if you are looking for fair and balanced information on this topic. Likewise Iowa and MN are problably the worst example on the cheap end. The Oct 06 futures price of e85 is currently 1.765, and gas is 1.55 for oct delivery. Besides Califoria's gov't is going to push the low and mid-income folks into oblivion with the new do-not-exhale CO2 "tax".. Suing the auto makers for building cars like like suing Farmers for raising cattle that cause people to get fat. You cannot reduce CO2 emissions from the tailpipe in any economical way with a gasoline engine technology. California should sue the state of California for building roads. Studies prove if you build roads, the public will fill them with cars which in turn burn gas.
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Replying to: smatt11 (Oct 02, 2006 9:58 am) The local Gas City by me that sells E85 is usually only $0.20 ~ $0.30 cheaper than regular. And with their regular higher than a few stations mid-grade it doesn't really make economical sense to purchase E85. |
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