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Replying to: seniorjose (Aug 20, 2006 8:12 pm) Yet they still continue to drive diesel engines even though there are gas powered alternatives...hmmmm looks like I need to get my boots on. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 20, 2006 9:30 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Aug 21, 2006 5:27 am) Seemed kind of cheap to me also. I do see $2.73 in the Anna area. I guess you just cannot trust any of the information on the E85 websites. I agree on the personal attacks. I guess if you do not have any facts to back up your viewpoint you just attack those that do. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 21, 2006 5:40 am) |
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with the price of gas, it's no wonder that European have chosen diesels but they suffer from significantly impacted air quality - Europe STINKS (literally, not figuratively), which is a real shame I wonder how they do vis a vis lost workdays and the like (air pollution-caused health effects) Americans would not accept the stench that comes from all those diesels. Almost every American who travels to Europe remarks on (a) the percentage of small cars and (b) how the air stinks of diesel How does ethanol smell?
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Replying to: alp8 (Aug 21, 2006 7:59 am) Good point, maybe like Jack Daniels. Until they overcome the problems of clean production and transport, we will not know in CA what it smells like. As far as diesels in the EU. Only Germany has had ULSD for more than a couple years, from what I have read. Not all the EU countries have adopted the ULSD mandate. I would expect with 50% of the cars being diesel and not all clean burning as the current crop, there would be pollution. Just like here before we mandated clean gasoline and catalytic convertors. Not all the states have converted to low sulfur gasoline or diesel yet. It is one thing to mandate and another to enforce. high sulfur gas is the reason that cars get a different rating in the CARB states vs the non-CARB states. |
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Biodiesel fouls the environment like no other fuel does. it is creating extremely large fish kills in the midwest near where new Biodiesel plants are located. Local and state governments are examining the permitting process as what kills fish will surely kill people as it pervades our ground water and food chain. There is talk that Biodiesel plants may be shut down if they are anywhere near elements in our food chain. Meanwhile, Ethanol production, new plants and newer technologies have proven to be non-destructive to the environment and cheaper to produce every day. Except for the ***CENSORED*** I can think of no basically educated person who understands science and modern renewable fuels who would object to Ethanol. We will not be a country that stinks like the befouled counries of Europe...especially with diesels that are just junk now, ask any European...besides who cares what the socialist Europeans do? No reliable and low-cost diesel engine is produced in Europe yet...maybe in another 100 years!
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Replying to: seniorjose (Aug 21, 2006 11:33 am) Link please. Meanwhile, Ethanol production, new plants and new technologies have proven to be non-destructive to the environment. While the production of ethanol may be "non destructive" the growing of the corn (mostly used in producing ethanol) is anything but. I can think of no basically educated person who understands science and modern renewable fuels who would object to Ethanol. Name calling again? I can think of many educated people who find what is going on with ethanol a bit unnerving. FWIW most people I know who actually get the facts and have no agenda don't see ethanol as a solution. |
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