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Here are some facts on E85! by gagrice
Aug 20, 2006 (9:30 pm)
Straight from the pro E85 website. E85 as much a $1.06 more than unleaded. Who here is willing to pay a buck a gallon more to support ADM?
 
From: Saluki
E85 Price: 2.96
Station Name: Gas City
Station City: Warrenville, IL
Unleaded Price: 2.26
Date: Sunday, August 20, 2006
 
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From: costs2muchhere
E85 Price: 4.109
Station Name: West Street Citgo
Station City: Annapolis
Unleaded Price: 3.049
Date: Sunday, August 20, 2006
 
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From: Paul
E85 Price: 2.799
Station Name: Marathon Mach 1
Station City: Urbana, IL
Unleaded Price: 2.969
Date: Sunday, August 20, 2006

 
Disclaimer: Seems that some ethanol advocates are trying to twist what the American Lung Association says about ethanol.
 
(The American Lung Association of the Upper Midwest is not responsible for misinformation reported on the E85 Price Forum. )
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PT Cruiser by lornasshep
Aug 21, 2006 (3:26 am)
We have a 2100 PT cruiser and on highway driving we get 30 miles to the gallon. The PT is a great car.
 
Gerald E Smith
Providence Rhode Island
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Re: Diesels unpopular in Europe. [seniorjose] by snakeweasel
Aug 21, 2006 (5:19 am)

Replying to: seniorjose (Aug 20, 2006 8:12 pm)

Because of the tecgnical problems of building, maintain8ng and repairing diesels in Europe a recent poll be Der Spiegel stated that 73% of europeans would abandon the diesel engine in favor of gasoline driven engines...hmmmm!
 
Yet they still continue to drive diesel engines even though there are gas powered alternatives...hmmmm looks like I need to get my boots on.
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Re: Here are some facts on E85! [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Aug 21, 2006 (5:27 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 20, 2006 9:30 pm)

2.26 for regular unleaded in Warrenville? I don't think so, cheapest I have seen it around here was 3.08.
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Re: Here are some facts on E85! [snakeweasel] by gagrice
Aug 21, 2006 (5:40 am)

Replying to: snakeweasel (Aug 21, 2006 5:27 am)

2.26 for regular unleaded in Warrenville?
 
Seemed kind of cheap to me also. I do see $2.73 in the Anna area. I guess you just cannot trust any of the information on the E85 websites. I agree on the personal attacks. I guess if you do not have any facts to back up your viewpoint you just attack those that do.
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Re: Here are some facts on E85! [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Aug 21, 2006 (5:47 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 21, 2006 5:40 am)

That gas station is not to far from me, I will try to run by it on the way home and check the prices.
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Move on by pf_flyer HOST
Aug 21, 2006 (7:46 am)
Let's drop the personal back and forth please.
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diesels? by alp8
Aug 21, 2006 (7:59 am)
with the price of gas, it's no wonder that European have chosen diesels
 
but they suffer from significantly impacted air quality - Europe STINKS (literally, not figuratively), which is a real shame
 
I wonder how they do vis a vis lost workdays and the like (air pollution-caused health effects)
 
Americans would not accept the stench that comes from all those diesels. Almost every American who travels to Europe remarks on (a) the percentage of small cars and (b) how the air stinks of diesel
 
How does ethanol smell?
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Re: diesels? [alp8] by gagrice
Aug 21, 2006 (9:23 am)

Replying to: alp8 (Aug 21, 2006 7:59 am)

How does ethanol smell?
 
Good point, maybe like Jack Daniels. Until they overcome the problems of clean production and transport, we will not know in CA what it smells like.
 
As far as diesels in the EU. Only Germany has had ULSD for more than a couple years, from what I have read. Not all the EU countries have adopted the ULSD mandate. I would expect with 50% of the cars being diesel and not all clean burning as the current crop, there would be pollution. Just like here before we mandated clean gasoline and catalytic convertors. Not all the states have converted to low sulfur gasoline or diesel yet. It is one thing to mandate and another to enforce. high sulfur gas is the reason that cars get a different rating in the CARB states vs the non-CARB states.

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